....There is evil in the world. Military might is in fact a necessity in this day and age. There's no point in denying this...
That's true. And for a sizeable portion of this planet's population, that evil arrives in camoflague with a US flag on the shoulder. The USA's military interventions around the world have rarely been for any reason one might call "humanitarian" or to truly "fight evil" - it has, rather, been to solidify foreign policy aims at the point of a gun.
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Okay I'm late to this as usual, but I have to chime in here. First, we can't even protect our own borders, so why in hell would we even consider the thought of transplanting operational sites........and these are indeed operation sites or why on earth would they bother setting them up.
Cubamark is right this is the most insidious type of diplomacy, under the guise of potential what a joke, I see this a a way to justify the expense, create the expense then the budget will follow, this also supports Screature's comment on how things a funded by the government, so you're both right.
Second, I wouldn't send troops anywhere unless I was going to use them .... and if I used them they would be killing everything that moved....not peace-keeping from my end. Take a look at how well Afghanistan, Viet Nam and others have gone when you are trying to fight rebels vs governments, all that happens is you turn the non-fighters into fighters against you.
Third, we are not equipped politically to handle the wall of hurt bad press and international hassles that we will be exposed to ... this will only cause internal problems. I say keep your armed forces at home to protect your country.
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Take a look at how well Afghanistan, Viet Nam and others have gone when your are trying to fight rebels vs governments, all that happens is you turn the non-fighters into fighters against you.
Not necessarily--though I would not assume that the following is a wide-spread result.
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and in chimes macfury, who by nature will twist everything anyone says either because he's just that way, or, doesn't seem to grasp what is actually being said.
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and lars takes macfurys twister a step further and suggests that we all just want to give out hugs.
And we wonder why, things aren't going so well out there.
And anyone who disagrees with the mouthy simpleton doesn't have a thought of their own and are merely following the herd or twisting and distorting... why don't you stuff the 'tude dude it is very tiresome.
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Our participation in NATO is very much seen as Canada's contribution to imperialism.
Military "support" for aid and reconstruction in Haiti - well, we could talk about that one. At least Canadian soldiers spent more time delivering aid and setting up shelters than doing what the U.S. military did in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake.
As for "there are no plans" to set up permanent bases... yeah, like there were "no plans" to increase spending, "no plans" to massively cut jobs, "no plans" to attack Canada's social programmes. Sorry - I have a hard time trusting anything that comes out of a Conservative politician's mouth (not to mention the other parties).
In your eyes and those with your common world view, it doesn't mean you are right.
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... Again resources are limited. Expanding the military can come only by increasing debt load, increasing taxes or sacrificing medical care. It is too big of a financial load to be met in any other way.
Sorry I completely disagree, there are many, many other areas where expenditures can be parred back before having to cut back on health care transfers to the provinces.
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Exact same logic that started cold war. Others have the bomb, so we need more bombs. Well they have more, we need more. Eventually humanity saw the problems in that and we've slowly been disarming, but we still have a dangerous stockpiles of nuclear weapons.
Setting up new international bases is a sign of aggression and a move we can't afford.
Speaking of reality, touting them as just temporary, we only need look at history. Many of the existing hundreds of US military bases were supposed to just be temporary.
We are not the US. Temporary international bases is the way the Canadian military operates and it is absolutely incorrect that international bases are necessarily a sign of aggression they exist for logistical purposes in order to get equipment and personnel to where they are needed in a more efficient and expeditious manner and not all military missions are aggressive they can and very often are defensive and humanitarian.
And anyone who disagrees with the mouthy simpleton doesn't have a thought of their own and are merely following the herd or twisting and distorting... why don't you stuff the 'tude dude it is very tiresome.
You need to have a drink and realize that gracing our presence to tell everyone they just don't get it every chance you get isn't going to always be met with red carpets and flowers.
That, is very tiresome, er, "dude".
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Sorry I completely disagree, there are many, many other areas where expenditures can be parred back before having to cut back on health care transfers to the provinces.
sure! Like food inspectors, for instance.
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