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Originally Posted by eMacMan
Look a few miles South of the border my friend.
Those military bases around the world are costing the US big time.
I would far rather see Canada maintain a good healthcare system than emulate the US military model. Yes it really is one or the other, the nation cannot afford both.
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Originally Posted by CubaMark
Lars, would you think it a good thing if Venezuela, or Mexico, or Uganda were setting up military bases around the world - maybe in Canada?
Why should Canada be positioning military equipment and personnel around the world? A military presence is the position of diplomacy-by-force, even if implied.
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Originally Posted by ehMax
It costs Billions and things will have to be cut here at home.
It's viewed upon internationally as imperialistic. The Roman empire and British empire din't see it as a bad thing.
The US empire has spent trillions of dollars on foreign bases. They are 14 Trillion dollars in debt and voting in the government right now trying to raise debt limits and have been on the brink of financial melt-down several times.
Canada does not have a lot of money to play with right now. Starting to spend that money on foreign military bases right now would be an epic waste of money. It would equal only a one-term majority government for the conservatives.
Did any of you guys actually read the article...?
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There are no plans to set up permanent bases around the world, but the planning happens to ensure Canada has options in case the military needs to deploy from another country, a government source said.
"As we look out into the future what we obviously try to do is anticipate where and when we will be needed, but it's difficult with any certainty to make those plans, without talking to other countries, without doing internal examinations," Mackay said.
"The focus of the planning, let's be clear, is our capability for expeditionary participation in international missions.... We are big players in NATO. We're a country that has become a go-to nation in response to situations like what we're seeing in Libya, what we saw in Haiti...
"We are constantly working within that paradigm of countries, to see where we can bring that niche capability to bear. It's part of planning and preparation, in conjunction with our equipment needs."
They are not talking about anything like what the US does with permanent bases and they would only be doing so at the invitation of the host nation, it has absolutely zero to do with imperialism.
Military support is not always about wartime activities either very often it is also for aid and reconstruction as in the case of Haiti.
Temporary international bases are par for the course for the Canadian military in the past.
How do you know what it costs ehMax there were no figures given?
Our participation in NATO is very much seen as Canada's contribution to imperialism.
Military "support" for aid and reconstruction in Haiti - well, we could talk about that one. At least Canadian soldiers spent more time delivering aid and setting up shelters than doing what the U.S. military did in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake.
As for "there are no plans" to set up permanent bases... yeah, like there were "no plans" to increase spending, "no plans" to massively cut jobs, "no plans" to attack Canada's social programmes. Sorry - I have a hard time trusting anything that comes out of a Conservative politician's mouth (not to mention the other parties).
They are not talking about anything like what the US does with permanent bases and they would only be doing so at the invitation of the host nation, it has absolutely zero to do with imperialism.
Military support is not always about wartime activities either very often it is also for aid and reconstruction as in the case of Haiti.
Temporary international bases are par for the course for the Canadian military in the past.
How do you know what it costs ehMax there were no figures given?
so does setting up these bases 'only by invitation' somehow make them cost less?
And your contention that it has zero to do with Imperialism, is simply your opinion, and I think you're very wrong on that one.
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Originally Posted by CubaMark
Our participation in NATO is very much seen as Canada's contribution to imperialism.
Military "support" for aid and reconstruction in Haiti - well, we could talk about that one. At least Canadian soldiers spent more time delivering aid and setting up shelters than doing what the U.S. military did in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake.
As for "there are no plans" to set up permanent bases... yeah, like there were "no plans" to increase spending, "no plans" to massively cut jobs, "no plans" to attack Canada's social programmes. Sorry - I have a hard time trusting anything that comes out of a Conservative politician's mouth (not to mention the other parties).
exactly. The screatures think that by the wave of their hands, they erase what the rest of the world sees this as.
There you go, screature, setting up a base is always Imperialism by definition, and just because there are no actual plans either announced or in the works doesn't mean that Canada won't impose its military might and evil will on the rest of the world.
and in chimes macfury, who by nature will twist everything anyone says either because he's just that way, or, doesn't seem to grasp what is actually being said.
I love how people think that setting up a military base automatically means we plan on enforcing our power on everyone else. There is evil in the world. Military might is in fact a necessity in this day and age. There's no point in denying this. The world is not at a place where everyone can drop their weapons and go home and give out hugs. That situation would be ideal but the reality is far from it.
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There are no plans to set up permanent bases around the world, but the planning happens to ensure Canada has options in case the military needs to deploy from another country, a government source said.
It should be noted that most of those world wide Permanent US Military bases, which are bleeding the US taxpayer dry, started out as temporary "just in case we need them" bases. From there the US had to create a need for them hence the current mess the country finds itself in.
Of course the Banksters and the MIC love it and are no doubt an influencing factor in this current Harpo brain fart.
Again resources are limited. Expanding the military can come only by increasing debt load, increasing taxes or sacrificing medical care. It is too big of a financial load to be met in any other way.
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It should be noted that most of those world wide Permanent US Military bases, which are bleeding the US taxpayer dry, started out as temporary "just in case we need them" bases. From there the US had to create a need for them hence the current mess the country finds itself in.
exactly. couldn't agree more.
Canadian oversea bases are a stupid stupid stupid idea. Our military should be used for our defence. we should be buying planes to defend our borders, not ones designed to fly in the middle east.
The world is not at a place where everyone can drop their weapons and go home and give out hugs. That situation would be ideal but the reality is far from it.
Exact same logic that started cold war. Others have the bomb, so we need more bombs. Well they have more, we need more. Eventually humanity saw the problems in that and we've slowly been disarming, but we still have a dangerous stockpiles of nuclear weapons.
Setting up new international bases is a sign of aggression and a move we can't afford.
Speaking of reality, touting them as just temporary, we only need look at history. Many of the existing hundreds of US military bases were supposed to just be temporary.
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