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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #181
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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #182
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No Max, it wasn't Hudak who made the decision to build it there (instead of Lakeshore), and it wasn't Hudak who falsely promised to stop it.

I don't care how much one may hate the Cons and Hudak, but really, for how long are some of you going to allow this piece of sh*t to get away with it?
Kps, it's all about perspective. I might just as well ask you just how long you're willing to give Hudak a free pass for idiotic behaviour - and his very own brand of political excrement.

Evidently you don't see it that way - and I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm simply amazed that friends could view the same things through such different lens and remain friends. Must mean that politics is not the be all and end all, regardless of the ever-strenuous efforts of policy wonks and pundits who would have us believe otherwise.
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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #183
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 12:16 AM   #184
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Kps, it's all about perspective. I might just as well ask you just how long you're willing to give Hudak a free pass for idiotic behaviour - and his very own brand of political excrement.

Evidently you don't see it that way - and I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm simply amazed that friends could view the same things through such different lens and remain friends. Must mean that politics is not the be all and end all, regardless of the ever-strenuous efforts of policy wonks and pundits who would have us believe otherwise.
Max, how can I give Hudak anything when the man was never elected. I on the other hand don't understand your hatred of everything "Hudak Conservative" and your and Grovetube's assumption that they'd be worse than the current scheitmeister.

Boys, I'd hope that our friendships are based on a lot more than our individual opinion of a bunch of dickhead politicians.
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 09:40 AM   #185
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Hatred is a strong term, kps - your term, not mine.

There's lots about the conservative political inclination that I understand, even admire. You wouldn't have heard me expressing such sentiments a couple of decades ago, but there it is. I also get the fact that, more than ever in this world, playing politics is about playing to the media with simplified messages and on-point slogans full of great intentions but zero room for sophisticated discernment. That's something both left and right plunge into and exploit, often to the detriment of both. It's like a carnival barker, eager to part you from your wallet. The signal gets amped but so does the noise; the distortion levels soar too.

Groove will have to speak for himself on the matter. Personally, I don't know if things would be worse than the present 'regime,' if you will, but I sensed Hudak would have brought us back to a Mike Harris slash-and-burn kind of mentality; while some folks on this board would dearly love to see that happen, I'm not one of them. In the zeal to destroy all that's supposedly awful, collateral damage ensues practically inevitably.
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I just don't see Hudak as a deep thinker. While simple slogans win campaigns, it takes deeper thinking to run government. Rob Ford, likewise, is not a deep thinker, and the combination of two shallow thinkers municipally and provincially wasn't something I could get down with.

Does that mean I think McGuinty is a deep thinker? Not sure, to be honest. He's a better campaigner than Hudak. His government has achieved some successes and some losses. Overall, I give him a meh.

Honestly, though, sometimes I think people look for excuses to spew vitriol at the politicians they don't like. I mean, if "most of us knew all along he could not cancel the project unless he paid who knows how much in contractual penalties", then is it any surprise that he didn't cancel the project?
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 10:13 AM   #187
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Hatred is a strong term, kps - your term, not mine.

There's lots about the conservative political inclination that I understand, even admire. You wouldn't have heard me expressing such sentiments a couple of decades ago, but there it is. I also get the fact that, more than ever in this world, playing politics is about playing to the media with simplified messages and on-point slogans full of great intentions but zero room for sophisticated discernment. That's something both left and right plunge into and exploit, often to the detriment of both. It's like a carnival barker, eager to part you from your wallet. The signal gets amped but so does the noise; the distortion levels soar too.

Groove will have to speak for himself on the matter. Personally, I don't know if things would be worse than the present 'regime,' if you will, but I sensed Hudak would have brought us back to a Mike Harris slash-and-burn kind of mentality; while some folks on this board would dearly love to see that happen, I'm not one of them. In the zeal to destroy all that's supposedly awful, collateral damage ensues practically inevitably.
I'm no fan of Hudak's either, but I don't buy into the 'Mike Harris' mentality either. I mentioned this before, he's more like McGuinty and that's why he lost and in a way it's a good thing, let McGuinty do the slashing and burning as he must in order to put reduce the debt.
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Agreed on your point about deep thinkers, Sonal - big time. Perhaps Hudak has some people on his team to do that for him. In any case, I'd rather the leader be able to act in that capacity.
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 10:34 AM   #189
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Honestly, though, sometimes I think people look for excuses to spew vitriol at the politicians they don't like. I mean, if "most of us knew all along he could not cancel the project unless he paid who knows how much in contractual penalties", then is it any surprise that he didn't cancel the project?
To some of us it's no surprise, but to those wearing the proverbial rose coloured glasses, it just might be.

It's no secret that I dislike this particular politician far more than some others, but I think I have a good reason. Saying "meh" just doesn't do it for me. Perhaps It boggles me that the people of this province continue to reelect a habitual lier, a premier who took the richest province and made it a have not province by mismanaging the economy, energy policy and wasted billions of dollars on questionable projects and programmes.
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 10:44 AM   #190
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Kps:when the alternative is decidedly negative, simplistic and shallow, I'll take 'meh' any day.

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Perhaps you're right about Hudak not being like Harris - maybe the doesn't have the stones Harris demonstrated with his slash and burn program. But if Hudak is more like McGuinty than Harris, that still doesn't explain why Ontario didn't give him the top job. Perhaps the people knew better?
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