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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 10:28 AM   #161
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Terrible campaign the Cons ran, just pathetic.
It was theirs to lose and lose they did. Hudak either has to get better strategists for next time - or Hudak himself will be given the bum's rush.

But what's more dramatic is the fallout and how the provincial map is jigged - NDP in the north, conservatives in rural, and the liberals take the cities. Pretty extreme regionalism. You can almost cut the lines of demarcation with a knife.

And yeah, the percentage of voters who actually bothered to vote - for a populous province of one of the greatest countries in the world, it's disgraceful.
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 10:33 AM   #162
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I'm glad Hudak lost, and I still feel this shows why FPTP doesn't express democracy well.
yup. Agreed. Changing this would have resulted in more conservative seats, but if that's what voters wanted according to popular vote, that what they should have gotten.

If this was changed, I bet you'd see a real rise in voter turnout. Perhaps then, your vote would truly matter.
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 10:34 AM   #163
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It was theirs to lose and lose they did. Hudak either has to get better strategists for next time - or Hudak himself will be given the bum's rush.

But what's more dramatic is the fallout and how the provincial map is jigged - DDP in the north, conservatives in rural, and the liberals take the cities. Pretty extreme regionalism. You can almost cut the lines of demarcation with a knife.

And yeah, the percentage of voters who actually bothered to vote - for a populous province of one of the greatest countries in the world, it's disgraceful.
he should start with firing whoever cobbled that horrendous commercial with the ominous bass tone that throughout it all, even when they displayed Hudak and his message. Worst campaign ad I've seen in a long time.
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 10:37 AM   #164
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I think it's a theme borrowed from American-style attack ads - ominous bass tones to underscore the negative vibe. I'm surprised more people don't catch on to how manipulative the ruse is. But evidently it's still highly effective - to a point.

I think Hudak was taking bad advice... I really don't know the man but I'd like to think he was driven by an over-eager crew of handlers.
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #165
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It was theirs to lose and lose they did. Hudak either has to get better strategists for next time - or Hudak himself will be given the bum's rush.

But what's more dramatic is the fallout and how the provincial map is jigged - NDP in the north, conservatives in rural, and the liberals take the cities. Pretty extreme regionalism. You can almost cut the lines of demarcation with a knife.

And yeah, the percentage of voters who actually bothered to vote - for a populous province of one of the greatest countries in the world, it's disgraceful.
Noted the same thing about the regionalism Max. It's becoming clear that if you can grab urban voters, you have a good shot at taking the whole thing.... much like Federally, if you own Ontario, you can almost take the election.

The 416 is painted of red until you hit the central lakefront where it goes orange--but for my lone riding.

Hudak ran a lousy campaign. He's not charismatic, which isn't a dealbreaker in these things if your messaging is on-point. But his messaging sucked... running "Dalton is the Taxman! Don't vote for the taxman!" just didn't resonate. Exit polls show that taxes were NOT the most important issue for most voters. He read the public wrong.

On the other hand, I am glad to see that the negative attack-style ads seem to be losing some of their effectiveness. Maybe one day we'll see politicians standing FOR things again.
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 12:19 PM   #166
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Wasn't Hudak's wife a top adviser to Mike Harris? I wonder what role she played in formulating his strategy.
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #167
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Wasn't Hudak's wife a top adviser to Mike Harris? I wonder what role she played in formulating his strategy.

Not enough!
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Old Oct 7th, 2011, 12:39 PM   #168
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For my two cents, I think the Tories had a flawed campaign.... where was the " it's the economy stupid" catch line....or any catch line for that matter .... remember the famous "Corporate Welfare Bums"... nothing like that was issued to cause some form of reasonance....this is particularily important when there appears to be little in defining issues....for the most part all three parties had the same issues.

I think Hudak will be given a short leash..... while he did have some gains the opinion is that he squandered his poll lead ( if indeed it ever existed ). The Libs, on the other hand, risen from the dead live on for another 4 years with a technical majority if there are no reversals on recounts ( that is as the Speaker historically comes from the Opposition and historically supports the Government in times of a tie, the Libs have access to 54 votes....) so this should be interesting. I would look to see the NDP side with the Cons, since they seem closer together than the Libs.... but it should be more of the same in my opinion.
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Canada News: Liberal-dominated Toronto ?not healthy?: Hudak - thestar.com

Poor little Timmy and his great big bunch of sour grapes. I wonder if he was frowning and stomping his feet when he said it.
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Canada News: Liberal-dominated Toronto ?not healthy?: Hudak - thestar.com

Poor little Timmy and his great big bunch of sour grapes. I wonder if he was frowning and stomping his feet when he said it.
Happy to see he kept McGuinty to a minority.
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