The sentence was very unclear, but I can see what you were trying to say now. I very much doubt a further weakened Liberal party would be in a position to "snatch" votes form the Conservatives. Certainly not under Bob Rae.
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The sentence was very unclear, but I can see what you were trying to say now. I very much doubt a further weakened Liberal party would be in a position to "snatch" votes form the Conservatives. Certainly not under Bob Rae.
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I don't think that is really the strategy for the NDP. Broadening it's appeal somewhat to capture more liberal votes, pushing the liberals to try and snag red tory votes off of Harper, that'll work.
Making it larger doesn't clarify it. As written, the sentence could mean that either:
a) the NDP "would be pushing the liberals" so that it (the NDP) could "try and snag red tory votes off Harper." or
b) the NDP would be "pushing the liberals" into an attempt to "try and snag red tory votes off Harper."
But why beat that dead horse? I finally got your meaning a few posts back.
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Actually, I rather suspect Harper is pleased with the outcome of the NDP leadership race. As long as the Liberals and NDP don't merge, the more effectively they split the non-conservative majority of the electorate the better. And if they do merge, there will inevitably be a contingent of Liberal support that won't support the merged party and will go to the Conservatives, as well as that contingent that abandons the newly merged Liberal Democrats and goes to the Greens or wherever. So it's all good for the Harper Machine.
However, I think a merged Liberal Democratic party would be the least good outcome for Harper in the long run, as it would directly target the Centre-Left that dominates Canadian politics (which is currently suffering a 3-way split between the Greens, NDP and Liberals in most of Canada, and is further subdivided by the addition of the Bloc in QC).
Almost as bad, from Harper's POV, would be formal coalition between the Liberals and the NDP; they could merge their nomination process at the riding level such that whichever party could feild a stronger competitor against the Conservatives in a given riding would do so, and the other party wouldn't run a candidate there. Such a move would almost certainly defeat the conservatives, but we don't have the tradition of coalition governments here in Canada (I don't really understand why not), so it may not be stable, and there's no reason the Conservatives couldn't participate in such a government. I think I'd actually like to see this tried; minority governments are often among the best we have in Canada, and flexible coalitions might make them more stable.
Actually, I rather suspect Harper is pleased with the outcome of the NDP leadership race. As long as the Liberals and NDP don't merge, the more effectively they split the non-conservative majority of the electorate the better. And if they do merge, there will inevitably be a contingent of Liberal support that won't support the merged party and will go to the Conservatives, as well as that contingent that abandons the newly merged Liberal Democrats and goes to the Greens or wherever. So it's all good for the Harper Machine.
However, I think a merged Liberal Democratic party would be the least good outcome for Harper in the long run, as it would directly target the Centre-Left that dominates Canadian politics (which is currently suffering a 3-way split between the Greens, NDP and Liberals in most of Canada, and is further subdivided by the addition of the Bloc in QC).
Almost as bad, from Harper's POV, would be formal coalition between the Liberals and the NDP; they could merge their nomination process at the riding level such that whichever party could feild a stronger competitor against the Conservatives in a given riding would do so, and the other party wouldn't run a candidate there. Such a move would almost certainly defeat the conservatives, but we don't have the tradition of coalition governments here in Canada (I don't really understand why not), so it may not be stable, and there's no reason the Conservatives couldn't participate in such a government. I think I'd actually like to see this tried; minority governments are often among the best we have in Canada, and flexible coalitions might make them more stable.
Muclair ruled out a merger. But, he didn't rule out a coalition. (afaik)
With the NDP nailing 100 seats last time, increasing their appeal and base will only send them towards minority territory, which could easily be supported by the liberals.
I don't know that Harper would be particularly pleased with Muclair as leader. JMHO
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