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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #3451
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The omnibus crime bill comes to mind.

I may be mistaken in describing it as Republican since exactly who introduced which crime-related measure in the US isn't something I know off the top of my head. But it's an American-flavoured way of doing things, which doesn't seem to be working well in America.
Yep. Much of that was passed under Bill Clinton.
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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 07:41 PM   #3452
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Wowza...this place is like a little Parliament out there in Ottawa...LOL.

and just like the real thing...not to be taken too seriously.

Some of you do get a little too serious and it just derails the whole thread for a while until everybody leaves and stops posting. Then slowly, things start getting back to normal until the next controversy. I like it like that. I have no problem with a little controversy, but if you get involved, suck it up and don't be a --like when someone says something you don't like or may touch a soft spot in the armour.

Anyway, just came back from our property up north and that bastard McGuinty is making the poor transport guys fork on family day. He had the north-bound scales open on the 400 pulling every truck in. What a ....
Some people get their panties in a knot when it's called out straight on. The the "whuuuut... meeee? prooove it!!!" starts.

How do you know it's McGuinty. I mean I think we can all blame everything on the guy, he's certainly not my favorite by any means. Or was he there personally, standing there in his suit waving down trucks
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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #3453
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The omnibus crime bill comes to mind.

I may be mistaken in describing it as Republican since exactly who introduced which crime-related measure in the US isn't something I know off the top of my head. But it's an American-flavoured way of doing things, which doesn't seem to be working well in America.
It's a little murky US side, because both the repubs and dems are nut cases who both believed locking them all up is the way to go. I suspect if it's looked into in more detail, the republicans will come out on top when it comes to the heavy crime and punishment agenda, unless under Clinton there was the repub congress and that's how that happened.

But you brought up the salient point here, Harper seems to be copying a lot of the policies pursued south of the border that ends up costing a great deal, locking up a whole lot of people, and it doesn't do anything to solve crime.

But it seems to come down to a discussion of whether it's the repubs or dems fault. Does it matter, in the scheme things to us up here in Canada?
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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #3454
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Anyway, just came back from our property up north and that bastard McGuinty is making the poor transport guys fork on family day. He had the north-bound scales open on the 400 pulling every truck in. What a ....
As much as I detest McGuinty, I think with many of the truck drivers it is up to them if they want to work or not. transporting goods is the backbone of everything, so it can't really be stopped for every holiday...
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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #3456
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As much as I detest McGuinty, I think with many of the truck drivers it is up to them if they want to work or not. transporting goods is the backbone of everything, so it can't really be stopped for every holiday...
kps knows that full well. He has long been a trucker and knows more than most here on the subject.
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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #3457
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Something tells me the truckers likely didn't have much of a choice about working today. Yes KPS would be the expert on the subject.

I certainly didn't my boss is a jacka-
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After Sonal's post admonishing some of us, I post this making no comment, rather to demonstrate a trend:


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An excellent post Sonal and food for thought. I can see myself there and I hope others can too so we can raise the level of debate here. Thanks for taking the time for the virtual kick in the pants.
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Probably because there are more people than you probably realize that are bothered by it, and I have received a number of PMs from people who say they'd like to participate, but don't because of the trolling. Or, pushing buttons as you put it. It's been laughed about over pints in the past.

I don't think anyone is guiltless when it comes to bad form at times, certainly I don't profess to be blameless, (though a couple here regularly do...) but there's no excuse for this level of nonsense.

If the level of trolling, and the hue and cries everytime a few critical news items are posted can be reduced, it'd go a long way to lowering the level of noise here. Because, if I don't react to it, someone else will. And so on, and so on.
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And yet here, it evokes bitter, salty tears. Fascinating dichotomy!

My advice? Have a beer when reading the thread and it will all fall into place.
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I think you flatter yourself a little too much macfury.
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I actually read this thread regularly. I don't always post. It's not the sniping or complaining, it's often that I'm not as familiar or concerned about particular issues to feel compelled to say anything.

I used to be very bothered by the sniping. I remember being part of that a discussion back when ehMax tried isolating politics to it's own forum. I'm not anymore... it's just noise. Seems the way of every single political discussion on the internet. I've never seen complaining about or replying to the sniping/trolling/insults/etc to actually work in reducing them.

The few times I've jumped in here, I get perfectly intelligent discussion out of MacFury and others. And yet others still keep saying that they get nothing but trolling and a poor level of debate. Leads me to conclude that I must be doing something different.
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Different than a whole bunch of others? Ohhh... I doubt it...

I have seen perfectly reasonable posts get the macfury treatment hundreds of time over the last few years. And so have many, others. Perhaps it's because you defend him a little.

That'll go a long way there.
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I defend him a little because I agree with him a little. Why wouldn't I defend what I agree with? It goes the other way, since I agree with you a lot and defend the same. (Probably why I identify myself as politically centrist, an increasingly lonely position it seems.)

I don't think that it's my posts being reasonable that keep them from largely being untrolled by MF. I think it's more that I understand that MacFury enjoys being a s**tdisturber. JMO of course.
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How Canadian of you I don't it'd surprise many to know centrists are in the majority. At least from my perspective.

That's fine, it's just that not a lot of people dig the shyte disturbing as it just gets tiresome after a while. As tiresome as this escapade has become anyway.

A good start would be to keep on topic, rather than the (let's try a macfury-ism) ashes and sackcloths over a few news posts.


I appreciate your peaceful stance though.
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I'm going to be honest here, Sonal. You take care to construct your arguments in a logical and thoughtful manner, so that even if we disagree, it often simply boils down to different philosophical beliefs. When arguments are poorly constructed, or when the poster is evasive, or can't explain what he or she means, the focus shifts to the gaping holes in the arguments instead. If that provokes tears and lashing out, I tend to go for the sharp stick at that point.
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Let me rephrase this.

"If you don't post something I feel is worthy of macfury, then I'll act like an arsehole.

And if anyone reacts, well, they're just crybabies."


This always works well in a political thread on a forum.
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It isn't a bad thing.

But if you're contributing half the jerky posts, you're half the supposed problem. So why complain about the problem when it's half you? (And I know you own up to that, but you do see what I'm getting at?)

It's like he sets out to bait you and you take the bait every single time. So now, he doesn't even have to bother responding to what you say, he can amuse himself by just poking you and watching you dance. It's an endless cycle. You're the one who says he doesn't like it, and yet you're the one who keeps playing the game.
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I'm half the problem?

Again, it's pretty basic, he acts like a jerk, and I give it back. I'm not the only one here to do it, nor will I be the last. This whole idea of 'playing into his hands" is stupidity, pure and simple. And childish. What is this, grade school?

I think anyone who sits in a forum baiting people and going after them with a "sharp stick" if they dare shoot back needs help really. But that's his problem.

I simply take each post at face value. If they want to play games, well, that's not my problem. It's just a forum, and nothing more. I just call it as I see it. Just so happens it's the same as quite a few people here. (and not here now...)
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Wowza...this place is like a little Parliament out there in Ottawa...LOL.

and just like the real thing...not to be taken too seriously.

Some of you do get a little too serious and it just derails the whole thread for a while until everybody leaves and stops posting. Then slowly, things start getting back to normal until the next controversy. I like it like that. I have no problem with a little controversy, but if you get involved, suck it up and don't be a --like when someone says something you don't like or may touch a soft spot in the armour.

Anyway, just came back from our property up north and that bastard McGuinty is making the poor transport guys fork on family day. He had the north-bound scales open on the 400 pulling every truck in. What a ....
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Some people get their panties in a knot when it's called out straight on. The the "whuuuut... meeee? prooove it!!!" starts.

How do you know it's McGuinty. I mean I think we can all blame everything on the guy, he's certainly not my favorite by any means. Or was he there personally, standing there in his suit waving down trucks
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After Sonal's post admonishing some of us, I post this making no comment, rather to demonstrate a trend:
SINC, is there any point to this other than yet another slew of GT bashing? Are you, as they say, part of the solution or part of the problem?
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Old Feb 20th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #3460
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SINC, is there any point to this other than yet another slew of GT bashing? Are you, as they say, part of the solution or part of the problem?
Oh let him be. He's just another one that pretends he's above name calling etc. He followed me around in the religious thread to throwing jabs and gettin his kicks in, without contributing to the subject we were debating of course.

But he's above it all you see.
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