It seems, assuming that your MP is reflecting government policy, the Cons really will be backing off on this.
I agree that law enforcement may need new tools given so much communication takes place online. It's not the same as just tapping a phone wire anymore. But I simply don't see any need for this to be done without the proper oversight a warrant provides.
If warrants take too long for police to get, then simply put in some measure that make it easier, -- have a team of regional judges who are on call 24 hours -- have the ability to teleconference with them so that submissions can be made by any law enforcement members outside of the major centres. If the cops are truly engaging in serious investigations of potential criminals, then they should have no problem explaining that within the proper constraints of our legal system.
It's interesting to note that when these "lawful access" provisions were first proposed under the Liberals, it was defended as necessary under the threat of terrorism in the shadow of 9/11. Now, that won't sell it anymore so they need to make the same proposals under the threat of internet predators and child porn. This leads me to believe that this was never about either of these bogeymen, but simply about expanding the surveillance power of the state.
I haven't read it, but I understand the new bill doesn't mention internet predators or children anywhere except in the brand new title of the act. And Toews mouthing off on the subject show that this was the initial strategy used to hopefully slap down opposition to it. I'm glad most Canadians saw through this smokescreen.
both the libs and now the cons have used fear effectively to push what they want. I think the cons perhaps a little more, ie: the soon to be very expensive crime bill.
Perhaps Harper's success isn't so much a rise in conservatism in Canada, but a realization among the left that the liberals aren't much better and so a bit of an exodus to the NDP, (and green) creating a much larger vote split.
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I voted PC the last couple of elections (basically since I could vote) and I was thrilled when they won majority. I like their fiscal views and ideas for lower taxes. But it ends there- their whole view on the internet with bill C11 and C30 I find appalling! Next they will be putting plexiglass walls on people's houses! I despise child porn as much as the next guy, and think child molesters should tossed off the CN tower, but I value my privacy more than anything else. Living in Canada I don't want to become some kind of tin foil hat wearing weirdo and I hope the majority of Canadians share this view! The only way Harper could get my respect back is if he fired Vic Toews and scrapped these stupid bills.
I voted PC the last couple of elections (basically since I could vote) and I was thrilled when they won majority. I like their fiscal views and ideas for lower taxes. But it ends there- their whole view on the internet with bill C11 and C30 I find appalling! Next they will be putting plexiglass walls on people's houses! I despise child porn as much as the next guy, and think child molesters should tossed off the CN tower, but I value my privacy more than anything else. Living in Canada I don't want to become some kind of tin foil hat wearing weirdo and I hope the majority of Canadians share this view! The only way Harper could get my respect back is if he fired Vic Toews and scrapped these stupid bills.
dstanic, you might like this editorial from today's Telegram here in St.John's. We are in agreement re child molesters and our value for privacy.
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*I did a little searching and found the interview on Maritime Noon Maritime Noon Broadcast When you go to the page click on the (Listen Hyperlink to listen to the show) Please note that the Item regarding Privacy Law, starts at about a minute and thirty seconds with context for the interview. The Interview with Lawyer Dave Fraser starts at about 3 minute and 45 seconds. The comments regarding "judges being available presently, 24/7" can found around 7 min. 25 sec. mark.
It is an interesting listen for information on the entire issue of protecting citizens and our rights under the law. Please consider giving it a listen, sorry I can't provide just the interview with the Lawyer but if anyone knows how and can add that bit to the conversation please go for it.
* I did add this as edit to my previous post but thought this might catch more attention as a separate post
Interesting, because I have heard & read several people arguing in support of lawful access specifically citing that it takes too long to get warrants as a reason this legislation is needed. If what Mr. Fraser says is correct then it leads me to believe that complaints about not being able to get warrants coming from the law enforcement and CSIS community has more to do with judges not allowing them to go on unlawful fishing expeditions.
"Toews stepped back from controversial remarks he made last Monday inside the House of Commons after Liberal public safety critic Francis Scarpaleggia asked about the privacy concerns arising from the proposed internet surveillance bill.
Toews responded by saying Scarpaleggia could "either stand with us or with the child pornographers."
When asked by Solomon if he would aplogize for those remarks, Toews said "I've thought about this very carefully, and if fair minded Canadians have come to the conclusion that my comments, that I made in the heat of Parliamentary debate, were not appropriate, I'm prepared to accept their judgment.""
What if "fair minded Canadians" want him to be toasted????
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Interesting. It looks like the Cons have really stepped in the cowpie on this one. It looks like they've completely misread the public mood and thought that a hyperbolic appeal to internet predators would silence critics of this bill.
Toews, who I assume is speaking for the Harper government, has now said this bill will go back to committee. I have read that sending a bill to committee at this stage (1st reading) is seen as basically asking the Opposition to help them write a bill and is an unprecedented move by a majority government.
If that is the case, it shows that the Cons are trying to retreat from this at a full gallop.
I think that every time that these lawful access proposals have been floated and entered the public discussion, since the time the Liberals first brought them in, the government has been surprised by the public backlash. That gives me with a small modicum of hope.
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