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On Tea Parties and Republicans

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#1 ·
Neil MacDonald is on a roll lately...

That sort of language, of course, just gets the Tea Partiers angrier. And when they are angry, they frighten the Republican elite, including, apparently, Frum's boss at AEI.

With their confusingly contradictory demands, their goon tactics, and their ability to organize and channel spluttering visceral fury, they are truly the loose cannon of American politics, endangering any conservative politician who doesn't either ride with them or hide from them.

During the health-care vote last week, Tea Partiers behaved like the snarling white mobs that lined the streets of Selma, Alabama, 46 years ago.

They surrounded representatives John Lewis and Emanuel Cleaver, both civil rights legends from that era, as they entered the House to vote.

One protester spat in Lewis's face. Another called Cleaver a "******." This, in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol in 2010.

When Barney Frank, the openly gay congressman from Massachusetts, arrived on the Hill with his partner, he was mobbed, too. "******," someone yelled.

Inside the House, one protester made it into the public gallery where he began screaming curses and insults. Republican lawmakers applauded him, even as police struggled to haul him away.

There were several explanations put forward for the behaviour, but Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck, a Tea Party hero, provided the richest one: The Democratic lawmakers, he said, had deliberately provoked the crowd by walking around the grounds of the legislature in which they serve.
(CBC)
 
#143 ·
The war predated the U.S. declaration of War. Are you referring to behind-the-scenes machinations? While many fingers point to FDR engineering the U.S. defeat at Pearl Harbor in order to by-pass his promise to keep the U.S out of foreign wars in which the U.S. was not attacked, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. The Pearl Harbor attack would have occurred regardless of the strength of the response.
 
#144 ·
Macfury, for the last time, YOU wrote "WWII was not of his doing, because it predated him." You said that the Second World War predated FDR's presidency, and I keep telling you to check out the history books. FDR was elected president on Nov. 8th, 1932 and took office on March 4, 1933. The start of the Second World War is generally held to be September 1st, 1939 beginning with the German invasion of Poland; Britain and France declared war on Germany two days later.
 
#157 ·
Max, I'm not spewing alt-history. I positioned myself with the debate to some extent by identifying other contesting theories on Nazi rise to power. MF sources elementary school books...

Anyway,

Here is a good article about the Tea Pots from the NY Times:

With No Jobs, Plenty of Time for Tea Party - NYTimes.com

Has a couple interesting points:

1) the irony that because most of the Tea Pots are unemployed they are relying on government welfare right now to afford them the time to fight against it. <-- oh that's going to be a hot tamale!

2) As the economy recovers, the Tea Pots will probably go back to being quiet idiots instead of loud ones.
 
#159 ·
Groove, I'm of the opinion that, in these threads especially, everyone is doing alt-history - you being no exception. Not attempting to single you out - in fact, I was thinking of our intrepid MacFury and his insistent re-reading of the past. But I've said before that history invariably seems to be a matter of conjecture, context and whose side is telling the story... and to whom! Lots of variables there. Yes, there are facts, but it's what we make of them that slants everything. And then, just to muddy up the waters further still, there are lots of disputed facts. Happy happy, joy joy!

No one has a lock on the truth in here. This is a bloody chat forum! It's all up for grabs.

Finally: everything I've told you is a lie.
 
#197 ·
Seems to me that anyone who can relate and see value and merit with the actions of the leadership and sheeple of the Tea Potty must be a wee bit themselves.
 
#198 ·
It would be just as easy for me to say that those who fear the Tea Party movement are timid "sheeple" who prefer to give up their freedom for a little security.

Your comment has no intellectual merit.
 
#212 ·
That's hilarious! By the way, have you worked up enough nerve to respond to my arguments with your Nazi/Tea Party analogy yet, or are you going to keep posting your university reading list as a response?
 
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