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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #21
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I noticed you're 25 years old.

My question is this: You say you'll have the home paid off in 25 years when you turn 50. Are you in a career now that you intend on keeping that long and are confident you aren't moving for any reason in the next 25 years?

You're young. Things change.
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Old Mar 11th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #22
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+1 on "The Wealthy Barber"

Good basic advice, that is particularly useful at your age when you have a few years of earning and investing ahead of you.
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Old Mar 11th, 2010, 09:46 AM   #23
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RRSP's are taxable income when they are withdrawn, do a comparison to putting your money directly into investments that pay immediate dividends. Sometimes it works out that overall you will have more money in your pocket due to the reduced taxes, plus you have that investment income, NOW, as small as it is, it will grow over time as you add to it.

It should be noted that some people I that live off their dividends looked into it and decided to avoid RRSP's altogether.
That's partly what I was getting at, but didn't want to edge too close to giving specific advice, not knowing much about the person -- risk tolerance, job security, desire to retire early (or not)... though this morning I'll throw that out the window.

Even though I make heavy use of RRSPs for myself (partly due to risk-tolerance issues -- even though dividend stocks are quite reliable, they are not fool-proof and not in a low-risk category), I can definitely see situations where saving in an RRSP is not a particularly good idea.

If I were 25, with 24 years to go on a mortgage, with a secure job with a pension and good prospects for career advancement (great place to be!), the RRSP would be last on my list.

These would be my priorities, though they'd actually have to be dealt with concurrently to some extent:

- I'd retire any non-mortgage debt ASAP (except in the unlikely case that the interest rate is actually lower than the mortgage rate).

- I'd build an emergency fund of very safe investments, even cash despite piddling interest rates, in a TFSA. Purely rainy-day money with no expectation of any inflation-beating returns.

- I'd try to retire the mortgage ASAP.

- after the emergency-fund portion of the TFSA reached 6 months' expenses, I'd continue building it, but with riskier investments. One potential future use for this money could be RRSP contributions in high-income years, or a final push on the mortgage. Or just a source of tax-free retirement income, which in this case could be very substantial due to the person's age and long window for saving and compounding.

- if my income were high enough that I could max out the TFSA and make maximum pre-payments on the mortgage and have no other debt, only then would I worry about the RRSP. (Or rather, do a cost-benefit analysis of saving in an RRSP vs. building a non-registered dividend portfolio as you describe.)

- I would make one exception to the last point: if I had a serious expectation of going back to school in the next few years, I'd build the RRSP up to the maximum Life-Long Learning Plan amount (currently $20K I believe), but this would still be lower priority than the emergency fund and mortgage. (The benefit here is that you get your tax deduction now, tax-free use of the money for grad school, and then it's only taxed many years down the road.)
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Old Mar 12th, 2010, 10:53 AM   #24
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I noticed you're 25 years old.

My question is this: You say you'll have the home paid off in 25 years when you turn 50. Are you in a career now that you intend on keeping that long and are confident you aren't moving for any reason in the next 25 years?

You're young. Things change.

I'm not the type of person to go from job to job looking for more money. As long as i pay my bills and get a bit of extra money to buy things. I'm happy, unless i get laid off someday i plan to stay here.

But you're right things do change. I only think about myself right now i'm not married yet or girlfriend... so who knows...

going to order the book tonight... thanks for all the replies!
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going to order the book tonight... thanks for all the replies!
It'd be fun to start a thread on the Wealthy Barber book and all who wanted to join, could go through it chapter by chapter and we could discuss as we go along. Do a chapter a week. We all create action items on what to do and report back. (Kind of like the characters in the book).

I'm going to start one April 1st! (Wll go with the theme... A fool and his money are easily parted).

Who's in?
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Old Mar 12th, 2010, 01:51 PM   #26
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One thing people should remember about RSPs is that they can also be drawn from, if something happens and you have a bad year with little or no income. You pay 10% tax on withdrawal but if your income does not exceed base then that 10% comes back when you file your taxes the following year. Even if you do end up being taxed it will probably be at a lower rate than you were paying when times were good.

Thus an RSP does double duty as an emergency fund.

What the government hopes will happen is that when you retire you will actually end up being taxed on your RSP withdrawals at a higher rate than you are currently paying. The equations generally require more foresight than we really want to admit.
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