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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 08:05 AM   #81
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This is horrible, half a million children without parents??????

there is nothing negative about birth control and abortions being available for these poor people. Bringing children into the world in that poor country that is so lacking in resources and finances is just cruel and inhumane.

Opposinging birth control and abortions for religious reasons that make no sense is criminal and must be stopped.
I see no less inhumanity and cruelty in a child being crushed to death under a collapsed wall or one being crushed and ripped apart by an abortionists tools or burned alive in saline solution. I guess the only difference is one death is tragic accident while the other is a choice.
The real tragedy is that our solution is to kill them rather than help. The Culture of death at its finest.

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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 08:29 AM   #82
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I see no less inhumanity and cruelty in a child being crushed to death under a collapsed wall or one being crushed and ripped apart by an abortionists tools or burned alive in saline solution. I guess the only difference is one death is tragic accident while the other is a choice.
The real tragedy is that our solution is to kill them rather than help. The Culture of death at its finest.

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I must admit I've always been surprised by the language and imagery used by ardent Pro-Lifers. Placards with graphic images being shoved in the faces of young women at abortion clinics, phrases such as 'ripped apart by abortionist's tools', all designed to evoke extreme emotional reactions such as fear, guilt and anxiety.

Whereas Pro-Choicers like to speak more about reproductive (read human) rights and promote one's ability to choose.

You tell me which is better.
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 08:30 AM   #83
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sorry, double post
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 08:36 AM   #84
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Actually my grandfather would have nothing to do with any church, however a number of his friends told me he was the best Christian they ever knew. So there is indeed a difference between religion and organized religion.
absolutely there is, and I'm always amazed at those who believe there isn't. I know quite few people, whom I would consider very spiritual people, who don't need to go publicly proclaim their allegiances, or be part of a group they don't like, in order for them to be close to their deity of choice. Those sorts of christians are usually the ones I can stand talking about religion/beliefs with. Not someone trying to get me in a building putting money on a plate.
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 08:47 AM   #85
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Whereas Pro-Choicers like to speak more about reproductive (read human) rights and promote one's ability to choose.
Speaking of language, "Choice" is clearly a facade. The same people saying abortion is simply a matter of a woman's reproductive freedom and choice seem to have no qualms with eliminating that choice to have more than 1 child and are even prepared to enforce it by force if necessary to combat any number of real and perceived world problems.
Choice is non existent in China yet many Choicers long for similar policy here and around the world.
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 08:52 AM   #86
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I see no less inhumanity and cruelty in a child being crushed to death under a collapsed wall or one being crushed and ripped apart by an abortionists tools or burned alive in saline solution.
Just to be clear, are you equating the abortion of an early somitogenesis embryo without a functioning nervous system to the death of a child?
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 09:01 AM   #87
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People say that about me even though I want nothing to do with that ridiculous religion.
So these people see Christianity as contributing more than pretty buildings to this world or you're a master architect.

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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 09:09 AM   #88
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Just to be clear, are you equating the abortion of an early somitogenesis embryo without a functioning nervous system to the death of a child?
Just to be clear, are you claiming all abortions are painless?
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 09:22 AM   #89
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Don't worry MacGuiver. bryanc has his morality all figured out to the penny--including having one child (to suit his biological imperative, don't you know) instead of none, which woud be much more beneficial to the eco-system. Look for something equally more hair-splitting here.
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Old Jan 18th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #90
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Just to be clear, are you claiming all abortions are painless?
No, of course not. What does that have to do with anything? Obviously less painful outcomes are desirable over more painful outcomes, which, ironically, is the whole point of having an abortion in the first place: to avoid unnecessary suffering.
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