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Old May 7th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #1891
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Job 38:1-40:5

2“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone —
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?
34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

1 The Lord said to Job:
2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”
3 Then Job answered the Lord:
4 “I am unworthy —how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer —
twice, but I will say no more.”
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Old May 7th, 2012, 11:19 PM   #1892
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Creation Calls -- are you listening? Music by Brian Doerksen - YouTube

Job 38:1-40:5

2“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone —
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?
34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

1 The Lord said to Job:
2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”
3 Then Job answered the Lord:
4 “I am unworthy —how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer —
twice, but I will say no more.”
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Old May 8th, 2012, 10:23 AM   #1893
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You forget the time when the Madonna appeared to the kids at Fatima and the sun briefly went the other direction in the sky.

Yeah I mentioned that before and all I heard from the evangelical atheists was "goddundntdoit". The sun did a lot more than briefly go in the other direction. 3 illiterate shepherd children, under threat of death from their government and chastisement from peers and family either pulled off the greatest illusion in history or the events were genuine with upwards of 70,000 witnesses, atheists and news media among them. Call me when Penn and Teller get it figured out so we can all see it.
The grill cheese sandwiches and burnt toast are merely blow torch art by hucksters, I'm sure you could make a wonderful spaghetti monster toast. However, I'm sure you can't reproduce the phenomena that occurred at Fatima or even explain it.


The kids that pulled it off.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #1894
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2“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
... quoting the book that supports rape, slavery, incest (but NOT ON HER PERIOD), only hurts your argument continually.

Your prof doesn't understand earths plates?

As for your problem with textbooks, you DO realize they get updated constantly as FACTS emerge right? or as theories turn to laws... when was your textbook last updated? I'm pretty sure it still says "cuz I say so" and world is flat.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #1895
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and world is flat.
I'd suggest you do your homework. The Scriptures spoke of a round earth long before it was "believed.".
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22). And there are other references to a spherical earth in the Old Testament. You do your homework and maybe you'll get The first part of your comment straightened out as well.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 04:07 PM   #1896
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I'd suggest you do your homework. The Scriptures spoke of a round earth long before it was "believed.".
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22). And there are other references to a spherical earth in the Old Testament. You do your homework and maybe you'll get The first part of your comment straightened out as well.
You do know that a circle and a sphere are 2 different things right?

Believe me, I've done my homework.
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I beg to differ on that.

Lot, Abraham’s nephew, had two sons by his own daughters while in a drunken stupor (Genesis 19:30-35). Moses recorded the sordid act as a matter of history, but there is no sanction of the sin in Scriptures. In fact it is placed in a decidedly negative light. Ruben was intimate with Bilhah, his father’s concubine (Genesis 35:22) — a shameful act that was condemned and penalized (Genesis 49:4). Amnon, one of David’s sons, committed incest/rape against his half-sister, Tamar (2 Samuel 13:7-14), and, as a consequence, was murdered later by the order of Absalom, Tamar’s full brother (2 Samuel 13).

The incest you made reference to, I'm assuming, is from 1 Corinthians 7:36. That's not a father marrying a daughter. It's a father allowing his daughter to marry. If you studied the cultural context of the Bible, many of your gripes would be dealt with. That should be the case with any historical book, such as the Bible. I believe that's what many have done with the Bible just as an excuse to discredit it.

Again, do your homework.
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You do know that a circle and a sphere are 2 different things right?

Believe me, I've done my homework.
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A pancake can be circular but flat.
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Rape:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
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*** If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


*(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
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*** If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.* Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.



(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
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*** Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.* And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.

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First hand eyewitnesses for the event, today? Not possible, obviously. Just as you won't get such evidence for anything else dating back that far or beyond, especially if were talking about beginnings. And what "evidence" can we have that wasn't gleaned from a textbook? This is crazy. Just because something appears religious or contains something of the sort, it's considered a money scheme. Talk about twisted biases.
Evidence? How 'bout the fascinating discovery of Ötzi the Iceman found to have lived about 5300 years ago. Scientists and researchers have been able to give a detailed sketch of the Iceman's lifestyle including what he ate from contents of stomach. Forensic science has shown he died from injuries of an arrow possible shot in him from behind. Now that's a believable story and real evidence.
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