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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #1661
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I don't want to offend anyone but sports fans are in my opinion the dumbest of simpletons. Barely a notch above "wrasslin" fans So it wouldn't surprise me.
Though I can see the appeal I cannot relate to it

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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:31 AM   #1662
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Absolutely nothing to do with it, though I consider that act to be the worst type of betrayal. I've always taken the attitude that if she's unhappy and feels like trying out some new guy she is free to do so. But the decision is final, there is no going back. If she's ready to leave and face the wrath of the children and restart her life from scratch, she is welcome to it. I won't stop her because if it gets to that point, nothing can save the marriage.
Old thinking. She wouldn't start from scratch. Actually you would be starting from scratch. She would make you leave your house, keep the kids, you pay child support and alimony (to cover the cost of the mortgage, and bills and living) and you would have to find a place all on your own. All she has to do is call a lawyer and you would be out on the street.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:31 AM   #1663
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I don't want to offend anyone but sports fans are in my opinion the dumbest of simpletons. Barely a notch above "wrasslin" fans So it wouldn't surprise me.
So then it doesn't surprise you that men also blow emotional gaskets over things that are ultimately trivial.

In that case, why highlight women being emotional when clearly it's both genders?
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:32 AM   #1664
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It's a betrayal, yes, and one that greatly hurts people.

But if you think this is the worst betrayal that can happen in a marriage, you lack imagination.

And if you believe that such acts occur in a vacuum, you have a very poor understanding of relationships.
Other than multiple homicides I don't see what can be worse.

Of course it doesnt happen in a vacuum. It happens when people bottle up unhappiness for a long time. In typical north American fashion.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #1665
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Oh really, you've never seen your mom, sister, wife or daughter blow a gasket over something completely trivial?
Have you never seen your dad, brother, son or other male similarly loose it over something trivial?

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You will have seen examples in your own life, I can assure you.
Keep your assurances, thanks. You know nothing about my life.

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I consider [sex outside of the relationship] to be the worst type of betrayal.
Again, I think this reflects sexual insecurity on your part, more than anything else. Although I'm not personally interested in this sort of thing, I know several couples that enjoy that sort of stuff, and if everyone's happy with it, there's no betrayal and there's no harm done.

Humans seem to be the only primates that have hangups about monogamy. But then, we're also the only one's that have religion, so I guess we're just perverse in that way.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #1666
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translation: I'm unable to refute any of the arguments, so I'm feeling put upon.
Yes the evangelical atheists arguments and logic posted here are always so amazing and bullet proof. Not to mention they always have the facts right and never exhibit a negative bias.

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I've been sincere and as civil as I could manage in every posting; but I'll admit the egregious misogyny exhibited recently is more than even I can tolerate.
I agree your bigotry in sincere and there is always a candy coating of civility on the outside.

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I'm not aware of any. If you can point it out I'd be happy to change.
How about the next two sentences that popped out of you head.

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If you're unhappy about people laughing at your religion, you shouldn't have such a funny religion. But you should realize that we'er not laughing at you, it's just the crazy beliefs you espouse that we can't resist making fun of.
With logic like that, you'd surely give an inspiring lecture at an anti-bullying assembly. It would sound something like this:

If someone is making fun of your core beliefs and values, its OK really because your beliefs are crazy to them and you are as well for having them. Suck it up kid and learn from your bullies how to be smarter, better people like they are. Don't look at their constant ridicule and taunts as hatred but a learning opportunity to change to be better people like them.
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And hey, I've posted things here that people have made fun of. That has forced me to re-examine some of my beliefs, or at the very least think of better ways to present them. You shouldn't let it upset you.
Why should bigotry expressed towards christianity be any less upsetting and tolerable to me than this is to you?
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I don't think so. I certainly find the beliefs of Jews, Muslims, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Pastafarians, etc. equally risible, and I think I've made that quite clear. I genuinely have a great deal of difficulty understanding how any functional adult can believe in any of that stuff.
I agree. You've certainly been consistent but you certainly have a special fire in your belly against Christianity.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #1667
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Oh really, you've never seen your mom, sister, wife or daughter blow a gasket over something completely trivial?

A Quebec psychiatrist almost lost his medical license for having the gall to state that in his experience working in emergency rooms for 20 years, women were less capable than men under pressure to make the right call.

You will have seen examples in your own life, I can assure you.
You can assure me not! Stop putting your erroneous conclusions in other people's mouths. One statement from a psychiatrist does not make your argument conclusive. Married over 20 years strong and both of us had emotional pitfalls which we helped each other out of it. It takes team work and honesty for a good relationship.
By the way psychiatry to me and others is not an exact science.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #1668
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Have you never seen your dad, brother, son or other male similarly loose it over something trivial?



Keep your assurances, thanks. You know nothing about my life.


Again, I think this reflects sexual insecurity on your part, more than anything else. Although I'm not personally interested in this sort of thing, I know several couples that enjoy that sort of stuff, and if everyone's happy with it, there's no betrayal and there's no harm done.

Humans seem to be the only primates that have hangups about monogamy. But then, we're also the only one's that have religion, so I guess we're just perverse in that way.
If you think the swinger lifestyle is the best way to raise kids then I never want to see your kids.

Some people like to copulate with farm animals. Doesn't make it right.

Stop projecting. The only thing I am insecure about is the stock market. You either stay together and live the family life or you don't.

So yes, I call it the ultimate betrayal and it is. I've seen what it did to my cousin and his daughters. But as much as it hurt then she payed the price. Heo own family disowned her. So yeah you can say she started from scratch.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #1669
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Other than multiple homicides I don't see what can be worse.

Of course it doesnt happen in a vacuum. It happens when people bottle up unhappiness for a long time. In typical north American fashion.
You probably want to think about this for a second. Sex outside of a marriage, vs multiple homicides. So what, a singular homicide isn't a bigger betrayal--you have to off multiple people to have a bigger betrayal?

But in any case, seems like an awfully big gap between 'sex' and 'murder' to me. You might want to give this some critical thought just for your own sake. Because from my perspective, either you're making wayyyy too big a deal out of infidelity, or not enough of one out of murder.
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Old Apr 16th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #1670
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So yes, I call it the ultimate betrayal and it is. I've seen what it did to my cousin and his daughters. But as much as it hurt then she payed the price. Heo own family disowned her. So yeah you can say she started from scratch.
Ah, I get it.

You are projecting what happened to your cousin all over this issue.

Makes much more sense now.
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