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Old May 2nd, 2009, 07:29 AM   #121
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People historically have resorted to socially ostracizing those who have suffered from diseases like typhoid and leprosy. It will be interesting to see if various countries do the same for those who have a severe case of the H1N1 flu. We shall see.
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Old May 2nd, 2009, 10:24 AM   #122
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The influenza seems to have originated in southern California. If that is the case, why is it first reported in Mexico? Is there some spin going on here?

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Old May 2nd, 2009, 11:05 AM   #123
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Is it no surprise that the US is quick to point the finger. They insist the 9-11 terrorists came through Canada... The 2003 blackout had the US pointing the finger at us... they were quick to stop importing of Canadian beef when we had a single isolated case of BSE in a calf despite the major problems they had.

C'est la vie.
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Is it no surprise that the US is quick to point the finger. They insist the 9-11 terrorists came through Canada... The 2003 blackout had the US pointing the finger at us... they were quick to stop importing of Canadian beef when we had a single isolated case of BSE in a calf despite the major problems they had.

C'est la vie.
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Old May 2nd, 2009, 12:12 PM   #125
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...hopefully Mexico will surviving this economic downturn from all the money they made on drugs and tourism..
Time to start attending some sensitivity workshops, and I recommend blocking the FauxNews channel from your TV.

Having spent three years now living in Mexico, I can assure you that Mexico has suffered immensely due to the huge market for drugs in the USA, and the lovely pile of high-tech weaponry that the gringos sell to the drug lords. Confrontations between the Zetas, for example, and the army, federal police, or the woefully unprepared local police are David-and-Goliath type events. The Zetas, originally a section of the military trained by the US (at the Fort Bening "School of the Assassins") to fight the drug lords, took their training and weaponry and decided to get themselves a piece of the action. The Zetas have been known to show up with, among other things, RPGs.

The psychological toll here is perhaps even greater than the (ridiculously high) body count. People talk about the "culture of fear" that led to all sorts of draconian measures being implemented in the USA post-9/11, but they have no idea what fear really means... not until you've had family members kidnapped (one little boy was taken and killed - they injected acid directly into his heart)... or when members of the Zetas, in full uniform, walk into your father's office and try to buy his allegiance under not-so-subtle threats against his family. How the hell can a society function like this?

Experiences like these are part of the reason why I am so perturbed by people telling me how "horrible" life is in Cuba. Whatever legitimate issues people may have with how Cuba operates (and there are few *legitimate* issues, frankly), it has *nothing* on Mexico.
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People historically have resorted to socially ostracizing those who have suffered from diseases like typhoid and leprosy. It will be interesting to see if various countries do the same for those who have a severe case of the H1N1 flu. We shall see.
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I may be mistaken, but I believe level 6 from the WHO can include quarantining entire regions or countries. I highly doubt that would happen though. The economic ramifications would be likely to cause some form of violent conflict.
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I may be mistaken, but I believe level 6 from the WHO can include quarantining entire regions or countries. I highly doubt that would happen though. The economic ramifications would be likely to cause some form of violent conflict.
I don't think that we are quite at the stage of placing whole areas in quarantine. I feel that this whole situation is getting out of control. Certain ERs in parts of Canada are seeing healthy people coming in to get checked out to see if they might have the H1N1 flu. This is going to clog up the system in ER even moreso that it is today in some large cities. We shall see.
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Old May 2nd, 2009, 01:34 PM   #130
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then Cuba Mark - if the drug gangs are so influential on the 'poor' public... they can then lend some money to keep the public afloat, during the trying times.

All these gangs/terrorists are full of cash, then they can share the wealth.. run for politics and who knows they might even win (like in Kosovo - known terrorist kills leaders then runs for politics, wins then separates from Serbia - backed by UN/Nato, Ireland, Palestine. )
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