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View Poll Results: For or against the Coalition?
Against the Coalition 33 46.48%
For the Coalition 34 47.89%
Other - explain 4 5.63%
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Old Dec 4th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #11
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Are you sure you're calling the right party idiots? How about the idiots who put in those controversial measures in the first place?
well that's a good point, Harper should have known better...it seems being childish is a common trait among all members on the hill these days

The market doesn't seem to like it either...in fact today as soon as they announced they were postponing Parliament the dollar went up (slightly)...

An unstable government is one of the last things this country needs right now...

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Old Dec 4th, 2008, 11:34 PM   #12
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Against it, for one main reason.

I'm scared to death that a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition will try to spend us out of a recession and that is not the answer to the problem.
I see - I guess you know more than Bill Gross??
and the G20.....such hubris..

PIMCO - Investment Outlook - July 2008 "Dear President Obama:"

CHINAwatch: Can the world's stimulus packages and the G20 countries revive the global economy any time soon?

Considering that Paul Martin will head the economic team there is simply no one in Canada and no one better respected internationally to craft a stimulus program without over reacting.

Given that Harper has grown government despite good times - and Flaherty has a history of mismanagment you sure got your fears in the wrong place.
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 12:32 AM   #13
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Good Lord. The whole point of a coalition is that you don't vote for it. It's an emergency step that can be taken when the opposition parties no longer have confidence in a minority government. By your way of reasoning, a coalition government could never exist since it wouldn't be voted in.
Good Lord yourself....there was no emergency...if they didn't have confidence then they should have voted down the government and put us back at the polls. and they can form their Coalition government at the polls and Canadians can decide.
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #14
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Considering that Paul Martin will head the economic team there is simply no one in Canada and no one better respected internationally to craft a stimulus program without over reacting.
There will be no "economic team." You were dreaming. Now go back to bed.
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 12:46 AM   #15
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MacDoc, the battle is over. The coalition lasted three days. It's done. Try again next year.

In the meantime, the Liberal party has dug itself an even deeper hole. If you want to get out of the hole, then its probably time to re-establish the Liberal brand. Dion has confused the brand even more than anybody could have believed possible. The Liberals have gone from Adscam to the the green-shaft to a socialist-separatist agenda. Next stop? Who knows... Not 24 Sussex.
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 12:47 AM   #16
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I see - I guess you know more than Bill Gross??
and the G20.....
'Parently. And more than you, too...
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 04:46 AM   #17
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MacDoc, the battle is over. The coalition lasted three days. It's done. Try again next year.

In the meantime, the Liberal party has dug itself an even deeper hole. If you want to get out of the hole, then its probably time to re-establish the Liberal brand. Dion has confused the brand even more than anybody could have believed possible. The Liberals have gone from Adscam to the the green-shaft to a socialist-separatist agenda. Next stop? Who knows... Not 24 Sussex.
Rebranding, huh? Why do you suppose it was OK to unite-the-right through blatant political manipulation but it's not OK to unite-the-left using a perfectly legal and legitimate tool such as a coalition government? One could also accuse the PC party of siding with "separatists" when they joined forces with the Reform-Alliance party which had its roots in western separatism.
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Harper wrong on democracy claims: experts
Updated Thu. Dec. 4 2008 5:59 PM ET

By Jim Brown, The Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- If there's one point on which Stephen Harper has been adamant, it's his claim that the opposition politicians trying to strip him of power are undermining democracy.

"The Canadian government has always been chosen by the people," the prime minister declared in his mid-week televised address to the country.

But now, he told viewers, a coalition of opposition parties is trying to oust him through a backroom deal "without your say, without your consent and without your vote."

Just how valid is Harper's claim that changing governments without a new election would be undemocratic?

"It's politics, it's pure rhetoric," said Ned Franks, a retired Queen's University expert on parliamentary affairs. "Everything that's been happening is both legal and constitutional."

Other scholars are virtually unanimous in their agreement. They say Harper's populist theory of democracy is more suited to a U.S.-style presidential system, in which voters cast ballots directly for a national leader, than it is to Canadian parliamentary democracy.

"He's appealing to people who learned their civics from American television," said Henry Jacek, a political scientist at McMaster University.

Harper signed similar document in 2004

In Canada, there's no national vote for prime minister. People elect MPs in 308 ridings, and a government holds power only as long as it has the support of a majority of those MPs.

"We have a rule that the licence to govern is having the confidence of the House of Commons," said Peter Russell, a former University of Toronto professor and adviser to past governors general.

"I'm sorry, that's the rule. If they want to change it to having a public opinion poll, we'd have to reform and rewrite our Constitution."

Harper himself signed a letter to then-Governor General Adrienne Clarkson in 2004, claiming the right to form a government if Paul Martin's minority Liberals could be defeated in a confidence vote in the Commons.

His ostensible partners would have been NDP Leader Jack Layton and Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe -- now derided by Harper as the "socialist" and the "separatist" in Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's coalition.


"I was just as much a sovereigntist then as I am now," Duceppe sniffed Thursday in a reference to Harper's new-found aversion to any deals with the Bloc.

Such facts are conveniently forgotten by some members of Harper's cabinet who have been even more vocal than their boss in the current crisis.
CTV.ca | Harper wrong on democracy claims: experts

sounds familiar - some similar yapping from the lap puppies here.
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I support both the NDP and Liberals, however the reason this is all happening is because the Conservatives didn't want to do a Auto/Forestry Bailout.
The auto companies should fail, they screwed up, and some new more eco friendly car companies now have a chance to rise and become big names in the auto industry.
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I support both the NDP and Liberals, however the reason this is all happening is because the Conservatives didn't want to do a Auto/Forestry Bailout.
The auto companies should fail, they screwed up, and some new more eco friendly car companies now have a chance to rise and become big names in the auto industry.
I agree, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Suzuki, Hyundai...etc...
Are better equipped to make economical cars than the big three.

Let the big three eat crow.
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