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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 01:55 AM   #1
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Study Says Religion Good for Kids

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Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development.
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Nice to hear something positive.
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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 02:31 AM   #2
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Now we'll wait patiently for those anti-religion peeps to state, "It's the positive side effect of being brainwashed."

C'mon.. I'm waiting for it.



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Secondly, the types of values and norms that circulate in religious congregations tend to be self-sacrificing and pro-family, Bartkowski told LiveScience. These “could be very, very important in shaping how parents relate to their kids, and then how children develop in response,” he said.

Finally, religious organizations imbue parenting with sacred meaning and significance, he said.

University of Virginia sociologist W. Bradford Wilcox, who was not involved in the study, agrees. At least for the most religious parents, “getting their kids into heaven is more important than getting their kids into Harvard,” Wilcox said
Well put, well put, and completely true.
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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 02:45 AM   #3
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The anti-religion types have no idea what they complain about. All the experience they have is the "thought" or "memory" from childhood that they did not care for what they were taught. They have decided that atheism is right and religion is wrong.

The odd thing about it, is these same people believe in the global warming scam. It kind of figures, doesn't it?

Don't believe in one religion, but is it not odd they subscribe to another in the form of the fear mongering global warming religion?
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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #4
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The research concludes that religious children are more obedient and conformist, in the eyes of their parents and teachers. That's hardly earth-shattering...

What's next? "Children of athletic parents are more likely to participate in sports?"

And I doubt that religion is the silver bullet here. I imagine there are a number of activites and hobbies that would produce the same results when the family consistently participates in it as a healthy group.
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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 07:17 AM   #5
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SINC, you really do a craptastical job with that paint brush sometimes, you know?

If you actually knew something about Atheism, it would be that most couldn't give a flying hoot what religion others prefer. You know why? It's because they don't care. Honestly, I really don't have to know what religion you subscribe to when I'm reading points that you're making on other topics. But, when you make posts like the one above, it makes me lose a little respect for you.

Now, on topic.

Personally, I think it's rather idiotic to think that you can put any higher standards on a religious family over an atheist one. Just because someone's atheist means that they're not going to put their kids on a pedistal just like the religious person? Give me a break.

Newsflash: A person/group of people can still have morals and standards without subscribing to religion in any form.

Why do all "religious" people automatically get assumed to be Christian? At least the article mentions some of the others. There's many other forms of religion.. many of which have a great chance to be better at parenting than Christian parents. Just as good a chance as an Atheist..

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It’s also possible that the correlation between religion and child development is the other way around, he said. In other words, instead of religion having a positive effect on youth, maybe the parents of only the best behaved children feel comfortable in a religious congregation.

“There are certain expectations about children’s behavior within a religious context, particularly within religious worship services,” he said. These expectations might frustrate parents, he said, and make congregational worship “a less viable option if they feel their kids are really poorly behaved.”
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Don't believe in one religion, but is it not odd they subscribe to another in the form of the fear mongering global warming religion?
Please tell me your joking here and I just don't get it. I can't believe an intelligent, educated adult could honestly be unable to distinguish science from religion.


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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 08:42 AM   #7
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It’s also possible that the correlation between religion and child development is the other way around, he said. In other words, instead of religion having a positive effect on youth, maybe the parents of only the best behaved children feel comfortable in a religious congregation.
Hmm, so it's quite possible religion has no effect.

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But when parents argued frequently about religion, the children were more likely to have problems.
So, let me get this straight. If your parents argue a lot, you are more likely to be a problem child. What? That can't be! Arguing constantly in front of your kids makes for an unstable family environment!?! No!!!

Here's a news flash. Good parents are good for kids. Good parents need strong morals and values, NOT NECESSARILY RELIGIOUS BASED. Good parents need patience, and know how to discipline their child. None of these things are religious based. Children need to be parented, by their parents, not by "God".

P.S. Leave it to SINC to try to derail this thread with a "Global Warming is fake!" comment. Everyone remember. God is real. Guns are good. Scientists are frauds. Carry on now.
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I can't believe an intelligent, educated adult could honestly be unable to distinguish science from religion.
It's the science-fiction that rpasses for science that really muddies the waters.
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Nice to hear something positive.
There are certainly positive things about religion, but you'll note that the study didn't say religion was "good" for kids... just that the kids of religious parents were better behaved according to the criteria they used. Interestingly, in my experience most children are kind and generally 'good' even if they're not well behaved. The only children I've met that were genuinely malicious were very well behaved (and, perhaps incidentally, the children of religiously devout parents).

But even if it were true that religion had only beneficial effects, that wouldn't have any bearing on weather the religion were true.

I very much appreciate the great music and art that has come out of religious traditions, and the brass quintet I play with rehearses and performs in a beautiful cathedral, which has fantastic acoustics (and a nice organ). So I enjoy some of the positive effects of religion on occasion. But that's not evidence that any of the mythology or metaphysics taught by the church is true. Nor is it evidence that there are not harmful effects resulting from religious adherence.

It's obviously a matter for debate, but my position is that the harm outweighs the benefits. And that the metaphysical tenets of the Abrahamic religions, in particular, but supernaturalism in general, are illogical and unsupportable.

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Old Apr 25th, 2007, 08:55 AM   #10
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It's the science-fiction that rpasses for science that really muddies the waters.
I forget, remind me when you became a trained scientist qualified to critically review the research you are dismissing as 'fiction' here?

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