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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 10:53 AM   #51
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Gee, I wonder if that firearm was registered...

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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 10:59 AM   #52
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Why even have a visual aid?

Granted, ordering 3 tonnes of the stuff is stupid and sure to raise red flags.
No, they got caught with 3 tonnes. It wasn't 'on order'.

The visual aid is to show people what they found.

I am not sure that kind of activity raises red flags in our country. Look at all the meth labs and grow-ops we have. All sorts of chemicals, supplies and extraordinary amounts of electricity are purchased for that and yet... no red flags.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 11:17 AM   #53
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I am not sure that kind of activity raises red flags in our country. Look at all the meth labs and grow-ops we have. All sorts of chemicals, supplies and extraordinary amounts of electricity are purchased for that and yet... no red flags.
Wrong and wrong and wrong again...
Ordering large amounts of fertilizer, chemicals and your pattern of electricity use are red flags.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 11:28 AM   #54
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I feel safer when criminals are morons. Growing up on Bond movies and 80s euro-villians (e.g. Die Hard), one could get very worried given that the heroes seemed a lot less intelligent, just clever. And then someone orders 3 tonnes of fertilizer or tries to light their shoe...
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #55
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Wrong and wrong and wrong again...
Ordering large amounts of fertilizer, chemicals and your pattern of electricity use are red flags.
A good example of a law-enforcement tool that 'violates' privacy: utilities reporting unusual electricity use. Also a good idea. Perhaps the Vegas casinos should have been lead advisors on security -- security is their game and livelihood, not just a buzzword. If nothing else, it would make for cool TV.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 11:55 AM   #56
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Wrong and wrong and wrong again...
Ordering large amounts of fertilizer, chemicals and your pattern of electricity use are red flags.
Prove it.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 12:03 PM   #57
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A good example of a law-enforcement tool that 'violates' privacy: utilities reporting unusual electricity use. Also a good idea. Perhaps the Vegas casinos should have been lead advisors on security -- security is their game and livelihood, not just a buzzword. If nothing else, it would make for cool TV.
Utilities can't report unusual electrical use due to privacy laws. I could spend $1000 a month in my condo and it won't raise any flags. I can go and buy 500 high watt bulbs and as much tinfoil as Spec buys in a week and that won't raise any flags either. The biggest source of intelligence for grow-ops are concerned neighbours. They know what is going on and report it to the police/city.

Security and intelligence are two very different creatures. Security is generally 'after the fact', or 'while in progress'. Intelligence involves information collection and assessment, of which the casinos do little.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 12:10 PM   #58
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Security and intelligence are two very different creatures. Security is generally 'after the fact', or 'while in progress'. Intelligence involves information collection and assessment, of which the casinos do little.
Security often has a preventative role (bouncers ), but I see the point. I consider security and intelligence as a combined activity. Securigence or Intellity. So the casino would need help from the intelligence community to make their security advice more effective and thus provide the government with Intellity.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 12:17 PM   #59
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I can go and buy...as much tinfoil as Spec buys in a week and that won't raise any flags either.
VanDave: Like the bishop in that Monty Python skech about sherry, I've heard Spec orders direct from AlCan.
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Old Jun 4th, 2006, 12:27 PM   #60
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VanDave: Like the bishop in that Monty Python skech about sherry, I've heard Spec orders direct from AlCan.
Of course, how could I forget.

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