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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 01:47 PM   #11
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Yep, and surprise, surprise, look at their names - they're all foreign sounding (if they're Canadian, chances are theie parents or grandparents aren't). They sound like they're all middle-easterners. No surprise there. No racism intended, either, but how many Canadian or U.S.-born Jakes, Toms, or Sarah's plan terrorist attacks? The other side world really does have a problem with us.
No surprise that Muslim extremists have Muslim names.

But I don't agree terrorism is limited to Muslims. For example, Tim McVay was a christian with an anti-government idiology.
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Scary indeed. What is so wrong with our country that it warrants this? Some people need their heads examined.
Hey, you should be happy, we can now fear the Islamist terrorists - nothing like a little propaganda to tweak our fear level.

Invading another country and killing it's citizens in one reason some may be mad. Going from peacekeepers to warmakers another.

Scary for you, because you are the target audience, it makes me laugh - how long until our colour coded terror alerts?

When will the Liberals get blamed for this?


And remember, they are not convicted yet, the investigations were started during the Liberals time in power....
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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 03:14 PM   #13
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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 03:19 PM   #14
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Hey, you should be happy, we can now fear the Islamist terrorists - nothing like a little propaganda to tweak our fear level.
Huh? So you're saying this raid is just a propaganda trick?

If only that were so.
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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 03:29 PM   #15
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Huh? So you're saying this raid is just a propaganda trick?

If only that were so.
Ya, these are just toys the RCMP put on display:

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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 03:30 PM   #16
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Invading another country and killing it's citizens in one reason some may be mad. Going from peacekeepers to warmakers another.
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You really think that's a major cause? It is way beyond any simplistic notion of 'we deployed therefore we're a target'. For the real extremists (not intellectual criticts of 'the west'), it doesn't matter. Some real nuts want liberalism to die. Universal sufferage, economic productivity etc...all bad ideas to the looneys.

Unless we completely turtle and appease, we will be a target. Even if we do completely isolate ourselves, we may still be a target. This is not about how to walk on eggshells. 'Warmakers' rhetoric makes for glib posts, nothing else.

Actually analysing what is happening is much more depressing. Inaction is not an option; how we act is. Head in the sand, guns blazing or something more Canadian (whatever that is), but Canada is not a neutral country nor has it ever been in major conflicts. Of course, cheap shots are easy from here. I expect one or two to stick to that framework because they have nothing else.
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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 03:33 PM   #17
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Of course, cheap shots are easy from here. I expect one or two to stick to that framework because they have nothing else.
And to those two, I would ask:

What will it take for you to recognize that Islamic Extremism is a serious threat to all Liberal democracies?
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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 04:17 PM   #18
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(quote): What will it take for you to recognize that Islamic Extremism is a serious threat to all Liberal democracies?
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While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I would couch it a different way; What will it take for us to realize that any religious extremism is a serious threat to all liberal democracies?

Religious fanatacism or extremism is by its very nature unthinking. Currently, the "big one" is Islamic, but I have spoken to Christian and Jewish extremists who are just as deluded and frightening. Anytime a tribal appeal is made ("we" are good, "they" are evil) bad things happen to innocent people. History is replete with examples.

Sadly, I don't think these arrests will be the end of it.
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Old Jun 3rd, 2006, 07:17 PM   #19
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(quote): What will it take for you to recognize that Islamic Extremism is a serious threat to all Liberal democracies?
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While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I would couch it a different way; What will it take for us to realize that any religious extremism is a serious threat to all liberal democracies?

Religious fanatacism or extremism is by its very nature unthinking. Currently, the "big one" is Islamic, but I have spoken to Christian and Jewish extremists who are just as deluded and frightening. Anytime a tribal appeal is made ("we" are good, "they" are evil) bad things happen to innocent people. History is replete with examples.

Sadly, I don't think these arrests will be the end of it.

Chris... that was a brilliant reply. Well Said.

Extremism is just that... you can put any adjective on it you want... religious (pick your flavour) extremist, political extremist, economic extremist, etc...

It's way to easy to point a finger at single group and claim guilt by association... which is clearly evident in the tone of many of the replies here in this thread.
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The timing of the raid was certainly fortuitous for Harper, since he already had a massive press event scheduled for today, swearing in new recruits and handing out medals. Not that I really blame him for pushing this to happen at a convenient time. That's politics. I'm looking forward very much to what comes to light during the trials.
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