Chilcare (or whatever): Rich get richer, poor poorer
I expect to see more propaganda as the budget gets closer.
The Globe printed this
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Child-care proposal gives least to poorest
Eliminating separate assistance program reduces Ottawa's payment to most needy
OTTAWA — Low- and middle-income families will realize the smallest net benefit from the Harper government's $1,200-a-year child-care payment in part because the Conservatives are scrapping a separate assistance program.
But the young-child supplement of the Canada Child Tax Benefit, which currently pays $20.25 a month to parents who do not claim child-care expenses for their preschool-age children, will be eliminated at the same time. The benefit is due to increase in July to $249 annually.
The institute has calculated that the families who will benefit most from the child-care allowance, after taxes and clawbacks, are those making $200,000 a year or more with one parent at home. They will keep $1,076 of the $1,200 annually.
People should be careful when complaining about childcare.
Why should MY tax dollars go to taking care of YOUR child, while YOU work?
What is next? A Child Food Program, for parents who can't afford to feed their kids properly? How about a Child Clothing Program, so that kids don't have to wear ripped trackpants?
So the government is throwing you $1200 pre-tax per year for 6 years. That's 10% of the cost of raising your child! 10% is HUGE!
Nobody ever said raising a child was cheap. Nobody ever said you HAD to have children. If you are struggling to make ends meet, be thankful for assistance that you can get. Daily Bread Foodbank. United Way. YMCA.
But don't you dare complain about the fact that you aren't getting enough free money from other people's pockets. You made the choice.
My should MY TAX dollars go to support YOUR infrastructure such as roads that you drive on? Why should MY TAX dollars go to YOUR corporate WELFARE?
Because it's a choice that has been made as a society?
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Originally Posted by guytoronto
What is next? A Child Food Program, for parents who can't afford to feed their kids properly? How about a Child Clothing Program, so that kids don't have to wear ripped trackpants?
And why not? The investment that the government makes in childcare pays off for society in the long run.
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Originally Posted by guytoronto
So the government is throwing you $1200 pre-tax per year for 6 years. That's 10% of the cost of raising your child! 10% is HUGE!
It's not money that I want. It's a cheap bribe. The fact is that most parents will not see that money. The rich will benefits from this and the poor will not.
The "plan" will mostly add some corporate welfare to companies that don't really need it.
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Originally Posted by guytoronto
Nobody ever said raising a child was cheap. Nobody ever said you HAD to have children. If you are struggling to make ends meet, be thankful for assistance that you can get. Daily Bread Foodbank. United Way. YMCA.
While I am grateful not to need welfare and assistance, there are people who do. I'd prefer to see a society where it's citizens don't need that kind of assistance. Those who do maybe thankful but it's a shameful process and adds to a stigma of being poor.
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Originally Posted by guytoronto
But don't you dare complain about the fact that you aren't getting enough free money from other people's pockets. You made the choice.
The $1200 only helps the rich and rich corporations. Don't try to sell be a bribe and tell me it's good for me. Don't sell me a "plan" that does the opposite of what you are proposing to do.
It's certainly is not making the world a better place.
The $1200 only helps the rich and rich corporations. Don't try to sell be a bribe and tell me it's good for me. Don't sell me a "plan" that does the opposite of what you are proposing to do.
By global standards I'm rich but by Canadian standards I'm probably in the middle. I own a house in Toronto but its worth is below the median and I have a long mortgage. I also have two daughters, aged 4 and 1.
Unlike the Liberals, the Conservatives are going to assist me with some money to look after my kids while my wife and I work. Like many parents, we juggle the child care responsibilities and have so far used formal 'day cares', 'home cares' and family members to look after our kids. The money we get will not tie us to any one system... we will choose what we think is best. It will probably cover about 20% of the actual costs but it's a start and it's more than anyone else has done. It's no more a bribe than it would be if the government created a big daycare programme and said I could use it for free.
Well, Fink-Nottle you are lucky compared to many Canadians.
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DAYCARE AVERAGE MONTHLY COSTS: Most Expensive Nationwide
Chatham (Ontario) $825.83
Ottawa $749.67
Toronto $722.88
Kitchener $651.67
London $640.00
Yellowknife $606.67
According to Statistics Canada findings from 2001, only about 47 percent of children are looked after by a parent in this country. The remaining 53 percent receive external forms of child care, including staying with relatives (1/3), receiving care from non-relatives in someone else's home (1/3), formal enrollment in a daycare centre (25 percent) and being taken care of by a babysitter (9 percent).
Well, Fink-Nottle you are lucky compared to many Canadians.
I agree... but what point are you making here? Am I lucky to have found affordable child care or to own a house in Toronto or to have two daughters or 'all of the above'? I am lucky... but not exceptional. There's lots of families like ours who will be helped by this new initiative.
Have a baby. Advertise as a stay-at-home-mom with room to care for 2 more children, at a cost of $250/month.
Now, you are saving the $600+ of real daycare. Plus, you are making $500/month with two other children. Plus, you are helping out two other mothers with really inexpensive childcare.
There's a business somebody could start. A national, mom-at-home registry!
Have a baby. Advertise as a stay-at-home-mom with room to care for 2 more children, at a cost of $250/month.
I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess you haven't had to care for a newborn baby before. Suffice to say, if you don't synchronize your sleep cycles with the baby you will not sleep at all... good luck synchronizing with the 3 of them.
The Liberal plan wouldn't guarantee that these low income people would be able to afford child daycare either, we would probably just have more unaffordable daycare spots, who wins then? At least this way low income people will have some money to eliviate the costs of raising children. And in "raising children" ideally you want to have a parent that looks after their own children, and not a daycare. Having children like everything else costs money, and if you are not ready to afford the cost of having children then don't.
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