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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 01:26 PM   #11
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Here's an idea.

Have a baby. Advertise as a stay-at-home-mom with room to care for 2 more children, at a cost of $250/month.

Now, you are saving the $600+ of real daycare. Plus, you are making $500/month with two other children. Plus, you are helping out two other mothers with really inexpensive childcare.

There's a business somebody could start. A national, mom-at-home registry!
I think it's been done, gt. not an easy job at any rate.
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"Why should MY tax dollars go to taking care of YOUR child, while YOU work?" These children are our future.

I agree with AS. We make these choices as a society that lives together in a country. Some may want to set up "firewalls", but this is not how a society lives and grows together. Government should be the instrument that ensures that no one gets left behind as we move forward together as a country.
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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 01:49 PM   #13
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Having children like everything else costs money, and if you are not ready to afford the cost of having children then don't.
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That's...that's...downright mean! I mean, then poor people would have to think twice before squeezing another one out. Only rich people would be able to have kids. We can't have that! Maybe we should move to a socialist system. That way we could wipe out the differences between the rich and the poor.

Screw democracy! Screw free enterprise! Screw freedom! Let's make sure everbody has a baby!
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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 01:57 PM   #14
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Only rich people would be able to have kids.
far too many people would prefer it that way
and just let poor people and immigrants bus tables, park cars and tend gardens while the uppercrust rings a little bell to summon high tea service
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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 02:02 PM   #15
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What?


That's...that's...downright mean! I mean, then poor people would have to think twice before squeezing another one out. Only rich people would be able to have kids. We can't have that! Maybe we should move to a socialist system. That way we could wipe out the differences between the rich and the poor.

Screw democracy! Screw free enterprise! Screw freedom! Let's make sure everbody has a baby!
that's a great idea. remove the last apartheid we have. you pluralized when you said "differences" so tell me, gt, what are the other differences between rich and poor besides money?
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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 02:10 PM   #16
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You don't need to be rich to have children, you just need to be ready to make the financial sacrifice and not expect a free ride. If you're on social assistence and you keep having children, then you need to lie in the bed you made. As long as we keep bailing them out, they'll keep abusing the system. Work hard at improving your own life <b>before</b> bringing a new one into this world.
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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 02:14 PM   #17
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that's a great idea. remove the last apartheid we have. you pluralized when you said "differences" so tell me, gt, what are the other differences between rich and poor besides money?
You can make up your own. Too many people feel that rich people don't deserve what they have. If you have money, you get certain things. That's the way it is. Deal with it. Just because you don't have money doesn't mean other people should give you theirs.
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Old Apr 26th, 2006, 02:35 PM   #18
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I thought the trend was that the more well off and educated people were, the smaller familites they had (in general). People who are poor or with less education end up having bigger families.

I'm one of those folks that didn't want either the Liberal or Conservative plan enacted. In a world where there is overpoplulation, why should we subsidize population growth.

If someone (male or female) wants to work versus stay at home to raise their children they should be ready to make enough to pay for care of their children while they are absent. You have to weight the cost versus the reward.

There was a time when people lived with extended families. Their are financial and social reasons for this. It takes a village to raise a child. It just may be that the nuclear family unit of ma, pa, and the kids is not a sustainable family structure in the long run. We might, as a society, have to back to extended families or more tight knit communities where neighbours helped each other and shared resources.

No I understand not all extended families can work. Many are destructive, unhealthy environments: dominance, discipline, physical abuse, verbal, substance abuse, sexual abuse, etc.

That being said, I think the market can create child care spaces easily if we readily value the wage of child care workers. Most people don't want to pay GOOD money to have some raise their child. The reason... they realize that it's not cost effective to actually have two parents working at the same time.

Child care, whatever its form should have some clear guidelines and regulations. This, I support.
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"We might, as a society, have to back to extended families or more tight knit communities where neighbours helped each other and shared resources." Paul, I am all for neighbors helping out each other and sharing resources, be they human or financial. We either stick together or we go down together. Paix, mon ami.
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"Why should MY tax dollars go to taking care of YOUR child, while YOU work?" These children are our future.

I agree with AS. We make these choices as a society that lives together in a country. Some may want to set up "firewalls", but this is not how a society lives and grows together. Government should be the instrument that ensures that no one gets left behind as we move forward together as a country.
Agreed 100%. Child Care is another of the social programs we have setup as a country to help people in need. I understand that there are people who will abuse social programs, but, for the most part, they are useful and give the help to those who need it. I view social child care programs to be just as important as public health care. We pay for a lot of things through our taxes whether we use them personally or not, but if we start cutting programs because someone doesn't believe they should be paying for it because they dont use it then most social programs will be gone. I don't use public health care, haven't since I was a child, but I gladly pay for it with my taxes because its important.

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