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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 02:14 PM   #1
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Note: To get straight to the point I want to get across, go to the last paragraph!

I am shocked by the blatant lies surrounding so called "alternative medicine".

Just saw an ad for the "Q-Link Pendant" ( http://www.q-link.ca/ ), a product designed to "tune up your biofield through a resonant effect that harmonizes your energy and helps you to navigate smoothly through a stressful world."

A year ago, like most people, I would have thought nothing of it (as I did when I saw the "Q-Ray Ionized Bracelet" ( http://www.qray.ca/ ), but today, skeptical inquiry is a bit of a hobby of mine.

The infomercial attempted to appeal to the "science-types" by featuring an expert from BioMeridian ( http://www.biomeridian.com/ ) who used some sort of "machine" (which reminded me a lot of the machine that scientologists use) to show how the Q-Link balanced your "energy".

When I investigated this company, I found they and their equipment was well known in the area of medical fraud, even though their equipment is "FDA approved".


From Quackwatch.org, an article on "Electrodiagnostic" Devices such as those made by BioMeridian:

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The devices described in this article are used to diagnose nonexistent health problems, select inappropriate treatment, and defraud insurance companies. The practitioners who use them are either delusional, dishonest, or both. These devices should be confiscated and the practitioners who use them should be prosecuted. If you encounter any such device, please report it to the state attorney general, any relevant licensing board, the FDA, the FTC, the FBI, the National Fraud Information Center, and any insurance company to which the practitioner submits claims that involve use of the device.


United States District Court
DISTRICT OF RHODE ISLAND
Application and Affidavit for Seizure Warrant
Re: John E. Curran

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The "BioMeridian Stress Assessment" appears to be a variation on electrodiagnostic methods that are well-known forms of medical fraud. The procedure consists of grounding the patient, then using a probe to pass low levels of electrical current through the patient. Various dials connected to the circuit are then claimed to measure the status of the patient's health. However, the resistance/current measured only reflects nonspecific effects such as how hard the probe is pushed against the patient.
How do these companies get away with advertising this garbage on Television?????

YOU have to investigate all forms of "Alternative Medicine" before giving up your money. If you are currently using or are considering any form of alternative medicine (including popular ones such as Chiropractic, Homeopathy and Naturopathy), go to http://www.quackwatch.org/ and read the articles on it!
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 02:58 PM   #2
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I'd be very careful including degreed Naturopaths in a "quack" column.
They have a full medical degree including the undergrad and graduate disciplines.

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Naturopathic medicine is a primary health care profession that focuses on prevention and uses natural methods to promote healing.

In Canada, naturopathic practice is regulated under provincial law in four provinces: British Columbia, Manitoba, Ontario and Saskatchewan. Regulation in Alberta under new legislation is expected this year. At present, naturopathic doctors (NDs) are the only health professionals in Ontario still regulated under the Drugless Practitioners Act of 1925.

Registered naturopathic doctors are required to complete three years of pre-medical studies at a recognized university followed by fours years of full-time naturopathic medical education at an accredited college. After graduation, they must pass rigorous regulatory board examinations that are standardized across North America.

Naturopathic doctors examine, diagnose and treat patients with programs tailored to each patient and their health conditions. Treatment approaches can include any combination of clinical nutrition, botanical (herbal) medicine, acupuncture, Asian medicine, homeopathic medicine, physical therapeutics and lifestyle counseling. The treatment focuses on the underlying causes of illness rather than just the symptoms, often eliminating the need for long term medical care or prescription drugs.

Naturopathic medicine's focus on disease prevention, patient education, health maintenance and the natural treatment of disease results in cost-effective health care in both the immediate and long term.

In Ontario, the Ontario Association of Naturopathic Doctors (OAND) represents registered naturopathic doctors. The association advocates for naturopathic medicine through government, public and media relations. It also provides members with professional development opportunities and provides an information line and referral service for the public.
Just as there are questionable practices with mainstream doctors especially regarding drugs SOME alternative procedures might be questioned but just as with drugs a good experienced naturopath will not point you in that direction nor try and treat an acute condition such as a broken bone requiring traditional medical procedures.

Were the traffic two way we might have a healthier populace consuming far fewer drugs.
A traditional doctor gets at max 3 days of nutrition training, and we indeed ARE what we eat. They also get little in preventive medicine.

Naturopaths in Ontario ARE primary care Doctors and are designated as NDs...Doctor of Naturopathy.
http://www.oand.org/
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 03:25 PM   #3
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Some people will believe anything. And some of these quack products do help, via the placebo effect.
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 03:35 PM   #4
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You have to investigate all forms of "Regular Medecine" before giving up your health. As MacDoc said there are some questionable mainstream practices as well. Good advice to research first, but you seem hellbent on disproving anything out of the norm, whether alternative medicine or conspiracy theories. I prescribe you some LSD, a good book and a week in the woods.
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 03:44 PM   #5
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I'd be very careful including degreed Naturopaths in a "quack" column.
They have a full medical degree including the undergrad and graduate disciplines.
I do not understand. You say they have a full medical degree yet their own association, which you quoted, says "Registered naturopathic doctors are required to complete three years of pre-medical studies at a recognized university" before heading off to their Quack Naturopath school.

Naturopathy is Quackery!

The Drugless Practitioners Act of 1925, as mentioned by your source, has barely been updated since 1925!

Rather than argue over their so called "regulation" which we all know is irrelevant anyway, lets look at specific things they do.

I'm sure they can give you some good advice about your general health and lifestyle, but the treatments they provide are largely without any basis in science.

From the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare Report on Naturopathy (1968) (little has changed since then)

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Naturopathic theory and practice are not based on the body of basic knowledge related to health, disease, and health care that has been widely accepted by the scientific community. Moreover, irrespective of its theory, the scope and quality of naturopathic education do not prepare the practitioner to make an adequate diagnosis and provide appropriate treatment
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 03:52 PM   #6
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You have to investigate all forms of "Regular Medecine" before giving up your health. As MacDoc said there are some questionable mainstream practices as well. Good advice to research first, but you seem hellbent on disproving anything out of the norm, whether alternative medicine or conspiracy theories. I prescribe you some LSD, a good book and a week in the woods.
disproving anything out of the norm??? It's exactly the opposite! I tackle beliefs that people hold strongly without a rational basis.

If I am "hellbent" on anything it is to promote and defend reason, science, and freedom of inquiry, and encourage evidence-based inquiry into science, pseudoscience, medicine and health, religion, ethics, secularism, and society.
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 04:00 PM   #7
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Naturopathy is Quackery!
Actually I'm going to take this back. Naturopathy ITSELF is not Quackery, by definition. But many of the things they do are.
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 04:09 PM   #8
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my chiropractor is also a naturopath
he is the only doctor i trust implicitly
he has solved many problems and is extremely proactive in his solutions from the time i tore ligaments in my ankle many years ago
the hospital put me in a cast for 8 weeks and then were looking to schedule me for therapy
i cut off my cast after a week and started visting him and (with the aid of a taped up ankle) i was walking 1/2 mile to his office after a week
to this day i visit him for various back ailments, especially during golf season

he recently prescribed for me a regimen of Scorbatate and liquid minerals
along with a diet low in red meat
i have yet to catch cold and when i follow my diet my allergies diminish to the point where i can actually smell things for the first time in 20 years, not to mention breathe through my nose without ANY drugs
my blood pressure and cholesterol are down
liver functions are great

in my opinion he is a genius
his office and large list of patients are proof that others also believe him to be a positive force in their health care

his chiropractic diagnoses are done in about 90 seconds without the need for any x-rays

he was one of the first people in Canada to bring in European style electric stimulation equipment to stimulate muscle growth and blood flow to heal injured soft tissue

he used to play centre for the Toronto Argonauts and for his size is a gentle and soft spoken man - all of my referrals have been extremely pleased with him

the man is nothing short of miraculous

Dr. Morris Zubkewycz, DC
Sports Injury Clinic
Bloor West, near High Park
416-762-7591

take a shot - your health can only get better...
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My wife has been a regular visitor to a Naturopath since she was diagnosed with breast cancer allmost 10 years ago. Her Oncologist was the one who suggested she go. She is totally healthy now and I believe that is due in part to her visits to the naturopath.
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Old Apr 22nd, 2006, 04:31 PM   #10
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disproving anything out of the norm??? It's exactly the opposite! I tackle beliefs that people hold strongly without a rational basis.

If I am "hellbent" on anything it is to promote and defend reason, science, and freedom of inquiry, and encourage evidence-based inquiry into science, pseudoscience, medicine and health, religion, ethics, secularism, and society.
"Reason" has suggested many things over the years.
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