George W. Bush's Speech of 2/6/03

PosterBoy · Aug 25th, 2005, 09:59 PM

I think there are at least a few people here who will find this funny.

Just a few.

http://www.batemania.com/bateman365/day009.html

used to be jwoodget · Aug 25th, 2005, 11:33 PM

Actually, PB, it's rather tragic (at least to those who've lost loved ones). Where is the justice?

lpkmckenna · Aug 25th, 2005, 11:52 PM

Did the WMD go to Syria? I still encounter people who insist on this.

Saddam was a constant pain in the ass to weapon inspectors. Why?

Syria and the US had good relations until the Iraq war. They had supported the first Iraq war, but not this one. Did they have an angle?

I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I didn't agreed with the invasion of Iraq, as the evidence presented was pretty weak. But we still don't know when Iraq's WMD program was discontinued.

Jacklar · Aug 26th, 2005, 02:07 AM

I've wrote three papers on Terrorism, Iraq, and then Terrorism, Iraq and the Media. I don't claim to know everything but I do know that there was no evidence to invade Iraq. Between the claims of their supposed Nuclear programs that were disproven and false. Documents that were openly proven to be fordged. Information that was DIRECTLY lifted off a Graduate Students research paper in the early 90's that was used to justify the invasion. Even mentioned in Tony Blairs speech to justify invading Iraq. Then the administration linking Saddam to terrorists and 9/11 when there was no link that anyone has so far been able to prove. Its a sad mess that has to be finished.

While writing the paper on Terrorism and the Media I read one of Bin Laden's speechs Speech
It makes you think. Its important to look at both sides of the coin and understand ones enemies.

sketch · Aug 26th, 2005, 07:45 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by lpkmckenna
	Did the WMD go to Syria?

Check Google Earth

Sorry, I didn't mean to ruin a serious thread but I couldn't resist.

Seriously thoguh, I wonder how Iraq looks on Google Earth. Can you see the damage from way up there?

used to be jwoodget · Aug 26th, 2005, 11:49 AM

There were no WMDs. The US blew their intelligence on Hussein by failing to realise this man was an arrogant and ignorant dictator who had no real idea of what capability his country had in any respect. Since he regularly had his underlings shot or tortured, its hardly a stretch to imagine they told him exactly what he wanted to hear. Moreover, the US had no difficulty in finding people who, for a few thousand bucks or a Green Card, were willing to spin whatever story they thought the US wanted to hear. Hans Blix and the UN weapons inspectors were constantly harrassed and their job made difficult but they found no material evidence of WMDs before the invasion and the US troops and a special investigative team found no evidence after - despite enormous effort. Based on these facts, the argument that the WMDs were moved to Syria is ridiculous. The US has spy satellites trained on the entire country. US and UK planes patrolled substantial no-fly zones since the first Gulf War. Their evidence was either fabricated or incorrectly interpretted. Evidence or argument against WMDs was suppressed or discouraged.

Did Hussein contribute to the invasion of his country? Of course he did. Was US intelligence enormously flawed? Of course it was. That's what happens (on both sides) when you are only looking for evidence to support your own case. Such ignorance of facts is a very dangerous way of conducting world affairs. We've seen it before.

There were many legitimate reasons for actively destabilizing and removing the despotic Hussein and his murderous regime. Unfortunately, none of these reasons happened to fit with the Bush agenda of linking Iraq to 9/11 (never mind the oil and strategic angles).

martman · Aug 26th, 2005, 01:57 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by lpkmckenna
	Saddam was a constant pain in the ass to weapon inspectors. Why?

Saddam found himself between a rock and a hard place. He was force to put up a front about the WMDs because he was afraind the Iran would invade if they thought that the WMDs were all gone.People who have questioned Sadaam about all this say that he said that the Americans knew there were no WMDs and that he though that it was all for show for the American voters and nothing more.

IronMac · Aug 26th, 2005, 07:21 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by lpkmckenna
	Did the WMD go to Syria? I still encounter people who insist on this.

The American commission formed to find them wrote their final report earlier this year...sometime in March or April. As an addendum, they say that there is no evidence that any WMDs went to Syria.