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Old Aug 12th, 2005, 11:57 AM   #1
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Always thought they were kind of "holier than thou"...

From the PETA entry in Wikipedia:
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<h2>PETA employees charged with animal cruelty</h2>
In June 2005, police investigators staked out a garbage dumpster in Ahoskie, North Carolina after discovering that over 100 dead animals had been dumped there every Wednesday for a month. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/17/peta.arrests.ap/index.html" class='external autonumber' title="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/17/peta.arrests.ap/index.html">[25]</a>
Police observed PETA employees Andrew Benjamin Cook and Adria Joy Hinkle approach the dumpster in a van registered to PETA and dump 18 dead animals in a garbage dumpster behind a grocery store. Thirteen more dead animals were found inside the van. The animals were from animal shelters in Northampton and Bertie counties. Police charged Cook and Hinkle each with 31 felony counts of animal cruelty and eight misdemeanor counts of illegal disposal of dead animals.
Newkirk responded to the media attention with the statement: "PETA has never made a secret of the fact that most of the animals picked up in North Carolina are euthanized." <a href="http://www.fox43tv.com/global/Story.asp?s=3482974" class='external autonumber' title="http://www.fox43tv.com/global/Story.asp?s=3482974">[26]</a> According to PETA's own filings with the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, in 2004 PETA killed 86.3% of the animals in its care. <a href="http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi?link_select=facility&amp;form=fac _select&amp;fac_num=157&amp;year=2004" class='external autonumber' title="http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs search.cgi?link select=facility&amp;form=fac select&amp;fac num=157&amp;year=2004">[27]</a>. Similar filings for the Norfolk SPCA shelter, located 3.5 miles from the PETA shelter, (PETA doesn't have a shelter) show that the Norfolk SPCA killed less than 5% of animals in its care. (The Norfolk SPCA turns away hundreds of animals every year, meaning that other organizations in the area have to increase the number of animals they euthanize. The number of animals euthanized in the Norfolk area hasn't changed since the SPCA reduced its euthanasia program. <a href="http://wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=3697414&amp;nav=0oa7d5sL" class='external autonumber' title="http://wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=3697414&amp;nav=0oa7d5sL">[28]</a>) <a href="http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi?link_select=facility&amp;form=fac _select&amp;fac_num=153&amp;year=2004" class='external autonumber' title="http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs search.cgi?link select=facility&amp;form=fac select&amp;fac num=153&amp;year=2004">[29]</a>
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Old Aug 12th, 2005, 12:29 PM   #2
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Speaking of HTT.....how's this for a shocker I just came across. Must be incredibly hard for the rest of the community to deal with.
BTW PETA is considered the #1 domestic terror threat by the FBI.

But in the "who'da thunk it" hall of fame.......

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The Wages of Sin

Andrew Mitrovica and Susan Bourette
IT'S EARLY SUNDAY MORNING in late January, and a gentle dusting of snow is falling on the birch trees and humble farmhouses that lead to Leamington, a sleepy town in southwestern Ontario, known for its apple orchards and bumper crops of tomatoes. The storefronts are dim as families drive through town on their way to church. They are dressed in their finest for the Holy Day — the day when several hundred Old Colony Mennonites gather for a solemn two-hour sermon, delivered in Low German.

Inside the church, pine pews on the right are filled with men wearing western-style shirts and cowboy boots and holding well-worn bibles. On the other side of the pulpit, young women sway, hushing babies. Their black bonnets and pleated dresses, fashioned from patterns handed down for generations, reflect little of the profound change sweeping their community.

As the lay minister finishes his sermon on the nature of truth, the congregation begins to sing a melancholy hymn, the same refrain Mennonites have sung for centuries; they ask the Lord for mercy, for his guidance and for forgiveness. But now they also plead for his help in healing their loved ones who have descended into a life of addiction and crime.

The younger Mennonites in the church have already witnessed more wickedness than their grandparents would have seen in a lifetime. Most in this congregation know there are men and women seated here this morning who are fresh from a drug run, possibly even hopped up on cocaine. Behind the thick pine doors leading to the elders’ chambers, a woman hides behind her prayer veil, weeping. She beseeches her pastor to intervene, to rescue her husband from the grip of the mobsters he now works for.

Minutes later, the same pastor will hear the confessions of a reformed coke addict and drug smuggler. The penitent has come to repent in front of his community’s spiritual leader. And given the faith’s tradition of forgiveness, he will surely be absolved of his sins.

This born-again Mennonite is the latest casualty of a well-organized and burgeoning criminal enterprise that generates millions of dollars in profits every year from drug smuggling, a network that spans Mexico, the U.S. and Canada. And the Canadian hub of this powerful Mennonite mob quietly thrives in a swath of small farming communities in southwestern Ontario, home to more than 50,000 Old Colony Mennonites.

Growing up, Detective Constable Mark Loop, lead investigator with the Leamington Police Service, thought that gangsters like those who inhabit the Mennonite mob existed only in dime-store novels or in big cities such as Detroit and Toronto — not in his home town, and certainly not as members of the Old Colony Mennonite faith, which is among the most conservative branches of one of Christianity’s most traditional sects.

Loop was just a greenhorn, fresh out of the police academy, when he first discovered that a gang of Mennonites was operating a lucrative drug ring in Leamington. It was unthinkable. He knew his neighbours as hard-working, pious people who farmed the rich soil along the shores of Lake Ontario. But the more Loop dug, the more he understood how deeply the narcotics trade had infected the reclusive religious community.

The street-savvy 40-year-old policeman has now been on the Mennonite beat for more than 13 years. In that time, he has watched the illicit organization grow, with a mixture of concern and incredulity. “Make no mistake,” Loop says bluntly, “these are wolves in sheep’s clothing.”

The proof is in the numbers. By the late 1990s, Old Colony Mennonites living in Ontario, Manitoba and throughout northern Mexico had cornered the market on the sale and distribution of marijuana in Canada, and were responsible for a staggering 20 per cent of all pot smuggled into the country. Police estimate that the cartel, with guile and ingenuity, was spiriting upwards of 750 kilograms of dope across the Canada-U.S. border every month. Today, by Loop’s count, 5,000 Mennonites have been conscripted into the drug trade in southwestern Ontario alone and their ranks swell steadily every year.
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Old Aug 12th, 2005, 01:48 PM   #3
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Boy this puts a whole new twist on Weird Al Yankovic's "Amish Paradise"
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Old Aug 12th, 2005, 02:23 PM   #4
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An interesting fact about the Amish: the community is not fully "closed." As a "rite of passage" teenage Amish leave the community to go out into the world, without any restrictions on their activities imposed. They are encouraged to see the outside world for what it truly is. These Amish teens are free to dress normally, eat what they will, smoking, drink, do drugs, fornicate, and listen to contemporary music. They can even use a computer! (Of course, not all partake of these activities, but most do.)

After this learning process, the Amish teen must choose between returning to the community, or remaining in the outside world (ie, abandoning all contact with family and friends). Overwhelmingly, they return to the community.
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Old Aug 12th, 2005, 02:28 PM   #5
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I don't see anything really objectionable here. They shouldn't be tossing the bodies in a dumpster, but that's not animal cruelty. I'm sure the animal has to be living to be cruel to it.

If all these animal carcasses were incinerated or buried, there wouldn't be an issue here. I mean, when your goldfish died, did you have a burial?
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Old Aug 12th, 2005, 06:44 PM   #6
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I don't see anything really objectionable here. They shouldn't be tossing the bodies in a dumpster, but that's not animal cruelty. I'm sure the animal has to be living to be cruel to it.

If all these animal carcasses were incinerated or buried, there wouldn't be an issue here. I mean, when your goldfish died, did you have a burial?
I think the notable issues raised were, how many animals PETA euthanizes, why they do this and why they were dumping the animals, like thieves in the night. As well, the individuals WERE charged with animal cruelty, although I don't know whether this was just limited to the fact that they killed these animals or something more.

Aside from being illegal, the apparent purpose of the dumping was one or both of - 1. saving money; 2. obscuring the fact that they are killing animals.

Much was said, following these reports, that PETA chooses to euthanize these animals rather than seek better outcomes, because it chooses to spend its money for expensive advertising campaigns, for instance, vilifying people who eat meat.

Maybe they should be spending a few bucks on the animals that are in their trust.

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Old Aug 13th, 2005, 04:55 AM   #7
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PETA is, like most of the other radical movements of our time, a sad joke. Soon to be forgotten...and destined to be the brunt of many a late night comedian's monologue laffs in the very near future.

("Remember when we all wore those silly pants!?! Or that silly hairstyle!?! Remember when PETA was represented by it's most visible spokesperson...Pamela Anderson Lee??!!?? ARF ARF ARF. Boy those were whacko times back then, weren't they?? What were we all THINKING???!!!???)

Everybody loves animals. Noboy loves PETA.

Go figure.
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Old Aug 13th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #8
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MacNutt returns!

I don't know why you have such a reputation, but "everyone" has been asking about you.

Sadly, many of the mainstream movements are a joke as well.
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Old Aug 13th, 2005, 03:19 PM   #9
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Old Aug 13th, 2005, 05:23 PM   #10
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Hey i am a carnivor myself, but possibly these were 'liberated' animals from labs and they were destined to suffer adn die slowly from testing? SO maybe (and i am not supporting or against any of this) they simply were illegally dumping carcasses.

This just seems a little out of character for an organization that is based around stopping cruelty to animals to the extreme. I mean common, they can't even bare to eat meat, but can whack little critters with no problem?

p.s. i knew i guy in college that joined a green piece mission just to score with hippy chicks. :P ha ha
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