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Old May 10th, 2005, 04:02 PM   #1
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Deal with the Devil

Can someone from Quebec explain to me what Duceppe will gain from siding with Harper? I'm sort of at a loss there. From the outside it looks like an ego thing to me. I understand that they are a separatist party, but how would bringing down the Liberals help them to accomplish their goals?

It's funny that everyone said Martin was making a deal with the Devil with the whole Jack Layton thing... it looks to me that the real Deal with the Devil is between Duceppe and Harper.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 04:05 PM   #2
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One step closer to Quebec separation....
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Old May 10th, 2005, 04:15 PM   #3
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One step closer to Quebec separation....
yeah, but how does siding with Harper help him to do that?
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Old May 10th, 2005, 04:41 PM   #4
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In Quebec the Liberals, at the Federal and Provincial level, are not popular.

Harper has no chance in Quebec, thus Duceppe wins most seats in Quebec. It's in Duceppe's interest to bring down the goverment now, because we don't know for how long this anti-Liberal sentiment will last in Quebec.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 04:50 PM   #5
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To quote Lorne Elliott: "The two solitudes in Quebec aren't the English and the French; it's the politicians and the people."

Anyway. . .

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yeah, but how does siding with Harper help him to do that?
From what I can see, the Liberals have <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/index.html">managed to come across as fools</a> in Quebec. Harper, while claiming to be pro-Quebec (or at least not overtly anti-Quebec) still has the image of being the head of what used to be a Western Party (*). Duceppe can use the present situation to remove the Liberals while pointing out select flaws in the Federal system and then later point to the Conservatives as a perfect example of how the "Rest Of Canada" doesn't understand Quebec.

(*) Which is odd considering that the opinion I find here is that the people who formerly supported the Reform Party now look at the Conservatives as a poor substitute. Too focused on "the East"

If Duceppe's desire is to create a situation where he can hold some power over Ottawa then he really doesn't have much to lose. Supposedly Harper is also <a href="http://montreal.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=qc-harper20050510"> saying things that Duceppe likes</a>.

[shrugs]

I'll probably be proven wrong in the next few days though ^_^;
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You might want to read Chantelle Hebert's columns in the Toronto Star for good insight.
Excellent political analyst and from Quebec.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 06:27 PM   #7
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You might want to read Chantelle Hebert's columns in the Toronto Star for good insight.
Excellent political analyst and from Quebec.
MacDoc, Chantal Hebert is somewhat discredited because of her strong pro-sovereignty ties (she is from LeDevoir after all...)

The better analysis on Quebec is usually from Don Macpherson of the Gazette.
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Well he's looking for a Quebec viewpoint.

I'll check out Don Macpherson.
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Old May 11th, 2005, 10:21 PM   #9
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One step closer to Quebec separation....
And guess WHO you can thank for THAT??

The Liberals have caused massive shame for all of Canada by their widespread political corruption. Moreso in Quebec.

The Italians are often redfaced and ashamed when a TV show or documentary points out the sort of criminal activities that the Mafia are famous for. It's deeply embarassing to all of the honest hard working people of Italian ancestry. And rightfully so.

Same thing when someONE, or some SCANDAL, brings up the subject of widespread corruption amongst Quebecois who are in power. Especially when there is so much solid data about this from the past. (Can you say 1976 Olympics?)

No wonder they are choked! No wonder they want to rapidly distance themselves from the ugly corruption that some of their fellow Qubecois have engaged in, of late. While a part of the Liberal Party of Canada.

No WONDER that we are now facing a brand new threat of separation from Quebec.

You can thank the Liberals and their sticky fingers for that. High time we dumped those clowns and moved on anyway. They are completely counterproductive.

Don't you think?
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Should be terribly interesting if the new lovers get themselves a minority government and have to start playing house together. I wonder what kind of policies the socialist Bloc and neo-con Cons will be able to craft together?

She was a passionate party, full of dreams of independence and a happy left-wing French-speaking home of her own, where she would no longer have to answer to that evil witch Ottawa. He was a cold and calculating party, who dreamed of upward mobility in a corporate dominated world, since his days back in Alberta on his daddy Preston's knee. Driven into each others arms by seething hatred of the Libs. Ah, but theirs was but a one night stand, full of passion, and alarming bedroom gymnastics, only to be found sad and wanting in the cold light of day.

Should produce some weird looking offspring, though.
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