Even Bono thinks Paul Martin is a deadbeat!

K_OS · May 2nd, 2005, 04:28 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by ShawnKing
	Again, completely wrong. Bono invited 5 people up on stage. Do you really believe that, if the lead singer of the "World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band" invited people on stage, for any reason, only 5 would come forward? Please - use some common sense.

That's McNutt for you he hears what he wants to hear then fills in the blanks with material from the Neo-Con agenda.

Laterz

jicon · May 2nd, 2005, 04:55 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by ShawnKing
	Again, completely wrong. Bono invited 5 people up on stage. Do you really believe that, if the lead singer of the "World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band" invited people on stage, for any reason, only 5 would come forward? Please - use some common sense.

Why the Globe and Mail would report something different from what actually transpired, I don't know. It seems quite believable that only five would go on stage. We're (Canadians) overall, a very polite society. Maybe that would be considered rude by many? Maybe those in the front row were intimidated by security?

But, I wasn't there. I have to resort to a news paper for an account of what happened. Again, the account of what happened seemed believable.

Honestly though, talking about common sense... I wouldn't waste $120 on a seat to hear U2's pop music live. If the Zooropa or the Popmart tour was any indication of the performance I'd get to witness from them, I think my entertainment dollar is worth more elsewhere.

ehMax · May 2nd, 2005, 10:48 PM

jicon... FYI... I have 2 tickets to see U2 in concert at the ACC on the floor. If I show up early, I'm feet away from the boys playing Rock-n-Roll. Price of ticket: $49.

And Macnutt... if you said the words "Pet project" to Bono's face, you'd be missing some teeth. (Everyone knows an Irishman could kick a scotts @$$ any day of the week)

Here's a real report from the show:

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	Blinding Vancouver After a wild video shoot for 'City of Blinding Lights' in Vancouver, a great first show in the city followed last night. It was loud too and you don't take our word for it. Novelist William Gibson was here - he's writing a story for Wired Magazine - and having been at the second Seattle show (which is beginning to be viewed as one of the best shows on the tour so far) he remarked that tonight's reception from the audience was even more raucous. (Gibson knows U2 from way back - Bono even took part in a documentary about him filmed in the back of a limo - and he and his wife Deborah took the chance to catch up with Edge after the show, no doubt discussing the future of everything). But there was a different kind of energy about the show tonight - maybe because the campaign to Make Poverty History (called the ONE campaign in the US) was so central a feature. There has been controversy in the Canadian press about differences between Bono and Prime Minister Paul Martin - centring on whether Canada will blaze a trail for other rich countries and deliver on its pledge to improve its financial contribution to fighting global poverty to 0.7%. If anyone thought Bono might duck the issue with Canadian fans - no chance! 'I wanted to say something about your Prime Minister Paul Martin if that's alright,' said Bono, introducing One, (to which there were no objections raised!) 'Now I told him I'd be a pain in the arse. I suppose this week I became one of many pains in the arse that is .. 'That's sad in a way because I am a fan of Paul Martin and I do believe he's a good man and I believe we¹re going to figure this thing out. What I'm talking about for those of you who are new to this is I think he's a great leader for Canada but that's what we want him to do - we want him to lead Canada. We want him to lead the world out of despair and poverty. 'Canada has a leading role to play and that is possible this year, at this year's G8.* It's a Canadian idea - point seven per cent. And it's a brilliant idea. Less than one percent of what Canada makes in a year... and I believe that if you people believe in it.. I believe that Paul Martin is the kind of person to listen to you...' And there is a twist in the digital campaigning for Africa tonight. People are not invited to join the campaign but to call the Prime Minister himself - just like ZOO TV days when the powerful got a call from the stage. But this time, we're post-irony and this time it's the U2 fans making the call. ' I thought it might be good if we made a call to Paul Martin.' suggest Bono as the band play on behind him and the PM's number appears on the screens. 'Take your phones out. If anyone would like to take their cell phones out I think I've got Paul Martin's number. These are dangerous little devices, these cell phones. 'We want to make poverty history. This is the year. This is our prayer and we are more powerful if we work together as one. ...' This was such a powerful and potent political moment that we don't need to say much more about tonight's show. But it's worth remembering how influential Canadians have been - another track tonight was dedicated to Dorothy Stone, one of the founders of Greenpeace. Maybe Canadian fans at tonight's show will also change history!

ShawnKing · May 3rd, 2005, 12:40 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by jicon
	Why the Globe and Mail would report something different from what actually transpired, I don't know.

Well, as a "member of the media", I can say categorically that the vast majority of the media often don't know what the hell they are doing.

	Quote:
	If the Zooropa or the Popmart tour was any indication of the performance I'd get to witness from them, I think my entertainment dollar is worth more elsewhere.

Well, from the first hand reports I've heard from people, the previous tours are not an indication.

talonracer · May 3rd, 2005, 10:23 PM

I was there, and I can tell you, I was booing Martin, not Bono.

And any one of us would have climbed over the heads of anyone in front of us to go stand on stage with Bono. Spoke to many people who attended the show, and those where WERE THERE, really enjoyed it.

The political statements were not out of place and did not detract from the show at all. We did make a few jokes afterwards about Bono chipping in a few dollars, but it was a great night.

ShawnKing · May 4th, 2005, 01:28 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by MacNutt
	Paul Martin and his corrupt Liberals always make all sorts of magnanimous promises BEFORE an election. Then, when they are safely back into power, they usually toss all of this stuff out the window.

BTW, that's different from any other politician of another stripe.....how exactly?

MacNutt · May 4th, 2005, 10:40 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by talonracer
	I was there, and I can tell you, I was booing Martin, not Bono. And any one of us would have climbed over the heads of anyone in front of us to go stand on stage with Bono. Spoke to many people who attended the show, and those where WERE THERE, really enjoyed it. The political statements were not out of place and did not detract from the show at all. We did make a few jokes afterwards about Bono chipping in a few dollars, but it was a great night.

Now we hear from someone who was REALLY there. No spin. Just reality.

And he was booing Paul Martin. Just like everyone else.

ShawnKing · May 4th, 2005, 11:51 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by MacNutt
	Now we hear from someone who was REALLY there. No spin. Just reality.

Sounds like you aren't sure how to take that.

	Quote:
	And he was booing Paul Martin. Just like everyone else.

No one said the boos weren't for Martin. We were calling into question your other characterizations of an event you either weren't at or were at and misrepresented. I noticed you *still* haven't responded to that.

MacNutt · May 5th, 2005, 12:22 AM

I was relating what I'd heard from someone who WAS there. And who booed Martin, BTW.

Now we have heard from one of our own who had the very same take on the whole event.

And you have some sort of problem with this?

MannyP Design · May 5th, 2005, 06:57 AM

It's interesting to note the title of the thread uses the description "Deadbeat" when clearly Bono makes no comment of the kind, in some form or another, to describe Martin.

	Quote:
	That's sad in a way because I am a fan of Paul Martin and I do believe he's a good man and I believe we¹re going to figure this thing out. What I'm talking about for those of you who are new to this is I think he's a great leader for Canada but that's what we want him to do - we want him to lead Canada. We want him to lead the world out of despair and poverty.

Who's spinning what, now? Just reality? This is what happens when you don't get the complete story and make decisions on half the fact.

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May 3rd, 2005, 10:23 PM	#15
talonracer Honourable Citizen Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,336	I was there, and I can tell you, I was booing Martin, not Bono. And any one of us would have climbed over the heads of anyone in front of us to go stand on stage with Bono. Spoke to many people who attended the show, and those where WERE THERE, really enjoyed it. The political statements were not out of place and did not detract from the show at all. We did make a few jokes afterwards about Bono chipping in a few dollars, but it was a great night.

May 5th, 2005, 12:22 AM	#19
MacNutt Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Salt Spring Island B.C. Posts: 8,774	I was relating what I'd heard from someone who WAS there. And who booed Martin, BTW. Now we have heard from one of our own who had the very same take on the whole event. And you have some sort of problem with this?