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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 03:51 PM   #1
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...962096,00.html


Russia's Putin: Soviet Collapse a Tragedy

Monday April 25, 2005 8:31 PM


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By ALEX NICHOLSON

Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin lamented the demise of the Soviet
Union in some of his strongest language to date, saying in a nationally
televised speech before parliament Monday that it was ``the greatest
geopolitical catastrophe of the century.''

In his annual address to lawmakers, top government officials and political
leaders, Putin also sought to reassure skittish investors about Russia's
investment climate - just two days before a ruling in the tax evasion and
fraud trial of oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

His statements on the collapse of the Soviet Union and its effects on
Russians, at home and abroad, come as the country is awash in nostalgia just
two weeks before the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe -
a conflict Russians call the ``Great Patriotic War.''

Putin, who served as a colonel in the KGB, has resurrected some communist
symbols during his presidency, bringing back the music of the old Soviet
anthem and the Soviet-style red banner as the military's flag.

In the 50-minute address at the Kremlin, Putin avoided mentioning the need
to work more closely with other former Soviet republics - in contrast to
previous addresses - and he made passing reference to the treatment of
Russian-speaking minorities in former Soviet republics.

``First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet
Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,'' Putin
said. ``As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of
millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the
fringes of Russian territory. The epidemic of collapse has spilled over to
Russia itself.''

Russia regularly complains about discrimination against Russian-speaking
minorities, particularly in the Baltic countries of Estonia, Lithuania and
Latvia.

There was no immediate reaction to Putin's speech by officials in the three
Baltic countries, which have often stormy relations with Moscow. Polish
Foreign Minister Adam Rotfeld said he disagreed with the statement.

``If I was in the place of the authors of the statement, I would say that
the biggest event of the 20th century was the collapse of the Soviet Union,
which completed the process of the emancipation of nations,'' Rotfeld said
in Luxembourg.

Putin's popularity has been dented in the past year by widespread street
protests over painful social security reforms and his unsuccessful attempts
to head off a popular uprising in the former Soviet republic of Ukraine.

Critics also have slammed the Russian leader for reacting to terrorist
attacks last year by pushing through legislation ending the election of
independent lawmakers and the popular elections of provincial governors.

The Bush administration has been stepping up its criticism of Putin, albeit
gingerly so as not to alienate a partner deemed vital in the global war on
terrorism. President Bush said he raised the issue of Putin's commitment to
democracy during meetings with the Russian leader in Slovakia in February.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice voiced concern over democratic
backsliding and the need for the rule of law during a high-profile visit to
Russia last week.

The 60th anniversary Victory Day celebrations, to be held May 9 in Moscow,
will be a major celebration for Russia. Dozens of heads of state are
expected to attend, including Bush, French President Jacques Chirac and
British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Workers are frantically painting and
scrubbing the city; red, star-studded posters hailing war veterans are
plastered around the capital and vintage Soviet war films are being shown
almost nightly on television.

Much of Putin's speech centered on assuaging the fears of investors who have
been spooked by a series of contradictory and sometimes punitive legal and
regulatory measures.

He said tax inspectors do not have the right to ``terrorize business,'' and
repeated a call for the time for challenging the results of past
privatization deals to be cut to three years from the current 10. Foreign
companies need clear ``rules of the game'' on which sectors of the economy
are open to investment, Putin said. Russians should be encouraged to bring
their undeclared earnings home rather than squirrel them away abroad, he
said.

``That money must work in our country, in our economy, and not sit in
offshore zones,'' Putin said.

Investors and analysts are closely watching how a Moscow court will rule as
early as Wednesday in the criminal case of Mikhail Khodorkovsky - once
Russia's richest man and now its most famous inmate. Many see the criminal
trial and a parallel tax assault that has dismantled his Yukos oil empire as
a Kremlin-instituted policy.

Some experts say Russia is already seeing economic growth slow as a result
of Yukos, along with other cases, such as $1 billion tax bill that
Anglo-Russian oil company TNK-BP now faces and antitrust authorities'
decision to block a bid by Germany Siemens AG to acquire Russian power
station builder Power Machines.

Liberal politician Irina Khakamada dismissed Putin's address as ``an export
product'' marked by ``liberal rhetoric and ritual statements addressed to
the West.''

``Here (in Russia) we react to the actions of the prosecutor general's
office and the tax inspectors. This is what's real,'' said political analyst
Yuri Korgunyuk.

Putin was to set off for Cairo on Tuesday and then continue on to Israel -
his first visit to the Middle East as Russia's president. The last Kremlin
chief to make a bilateral visit to Egypt was Nikita Khrushchev, who in 1964
inaugurated the first stage in building the Aswan High Dam.
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 03:56 PM   #2
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Putin has also indicated that he won't run in the next Russian elections. That works for me.

And I seriously doubt if anyone could ever ressurect the stangnant and dangerous mess that was the Soviet Union. Several hundred million people might have a thing or two to say about that.
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Putin has also indicated that he won't run in the next Russian elections. That works for me.

He won't have to. There won't be an election. After a few Big Mac's the people of Russia have realised how fake and unsavory they are, just like the dream of a free market economy is- and want to go back to the good 'ol days.

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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 04:29 PM   #4
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and, I might add, they will be sooo happy that their current oligarchic and repressive reformist situation 'works for you', MacNutt.
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 04:44 PM   #5
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Putin has also indicated that he won't run in the next Russian elections. That works for me.
I love reading your posts Mr. MacNutt - they are always tremendously entertaining. Wickedly satirical, and so very droll.

Could you elaborate on exactly how Putin's decision not to run in the next Russian elections will "work" for you?
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 05:04 PM   #6
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they will be sooo happy that their current oligarchic and repressive reformist situation 'works for you', MacNutt.
That's MacNutt's definition of "democracy". Anyone else remember his many posts on how the fall of the Soviet Union and the demise of Communism has lead to democracy? Yep...today's Russian republic is the epitome of democracy as MacNutt sees it.
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Old Apr 26th, 2005, 01:31 AM   #7
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Russia is certainly not what I would call a true democracy. That ideal eludes them thus far.

But then again...we haven't quite managed it here in Canada, either.

But both countries are closer than they've ever been. And Russia is several magnitudes closer to democracy than it ever was under the old Soviet Uniuon. Gotta be an improvement, wouldn't you say? At least they aren't lining up for stale cucumbers at empty state-run stores anymore.

My comments about Putin not running again were offhand. I know no one who lives there (but several who used to) and I was always a bit worried about Putin.

Also, I don't see free elections becoming a thing of the past in modern Russia anytime soon. It's a screwed up country....but no one I've met from there has EVER wanted to return to the old ways. Not EVER.

Putin's personal style was learned while he was a KGB operative. No doubt he liked the order and structure of a command style economy that had no say in who governed it. With an iron fist, no less.

I suspect that his announcement that he would not run again was less of a threat to bring back communism, and more of an admittance that even he can't change things as fast and as well as he'd like to. So after some sabre rattling to recall an earlier time, he will step down in the near future.

Let's hope that a new (perhaps younger) Russian leader enters the scene. One who could remake this wounded giant back into a really vibrant and dynamic member of our world community.

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Russia is certainly not what I would call a true democracy. That ideal eludes them thus far.
That's not what you said in your other posts when you were talking about democracy breaking out all over.
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Would you say that there is LESS democracy in eastern Europe/Asia than there was twenty years ago? Or is there MORE democracy?

How about in China? It's still nominally a Communist country...but it's getting hard to tell what with all the millionaires and all.

How about the middle east? Less democracy than five years ago? Or is there more?

How about in Latin America? More dictatorships or less?

Seems to me that there have been some pretty signifigant changes. Especially in the past two decades or so. All over the place.
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are you talking about Democracy where 'the people' are sovereign and confer part of that onto a political unit that serves to govern-and has according responsibilities?

or are you talking about "democracy" in which the above is present in empty sentiment only and the economic warfare continues regardless of a state's political orientation?

as an idealogue MacNutt, you leave much to be desired. Do some homework first, eh?
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