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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:09 PM   #1
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Red face Bush and Science = Oil and Water

Scientists feel stifled by Bush administration
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some scientists in key federal agencies are being ignored or even pressured to change study conclusions that don't support policy positions.
But, hey, when you have faith, who needs science?
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:47 PM   #2
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The projected 2005/2006 budget increase for the NIH, which is the largest and most respected health research organization in the world is 0.7%. I think this one figure clearly demonstrates the priority that the Bush administration affords to scientific research. Their loss is likely our gain.....

From todays Globe and Mail: Foreign applications to the University of Toronto and McGill University have doubled in the past four years. And at the University of British Columbia, they have climbed by about 25 per cent.

Pamela isn't going to be happy...
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:53 PM   #3
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I can't even read that article it just gets me so angry they keep taking one step forward and two steps back with this village idiot and his cronies.

Carl Sagan is rolling in his grave

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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:58 PM   #4
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Academic refugees are pouring north

In general, this is beneficial to Canada. Our universities and high-tech businesses are being inundated with applications from very well-qualified individuals who want to get out of the US before things get any worse (and they will).

Unfortunately for me, that makes the job market even more competitive

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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 06:15 PM   #5
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I've never seen the major science mags so up in arms. I vote we adopt the Blue States.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 06:59 PM   #6
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my thesis advisor just moved up here from north carolina (about 3 months before the election) and judging by her anger on the whole issue, I'd bet a good chunk of the US would be willing to become canadian if it were seriously feasible... unfortunately for them it's not.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 08:54 PM   #7
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Yeah at the moment we couldn't afford THEM all but.

How about small bites....Hawaii first. .....then let's see Washington State - bring a few Hitech companies.
Figure one or two states each decade 'til we got all the goodun's
Mass high on the list - couple good schools THERE.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 09:52 PM   #8
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Yeah...might happen. We Canadians could adopt several of the "blue states" and slowly take over the USA. I mean...HEY...it's a growing trend, right? More and more Americans and more and more Canadians are trending towards left/liberalism...right??

Well, no. Actually it's just the opposite. Despite a few noteable anecdotes to the contrary, the vast majority of North Americans...just like the rest of the world...are busily "centering to the right" these days.

But you guys can keep on clutching at the last few straws, if you'd like. Go ahead, fill your boots.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 10:40 PM   #9
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As the Bush administration sees it, they don't need to support "the science community" like they had before, what they need is to be able to buy it's results and control them. The corporations that do that are alive and well, so they don't need to fund trial and error, they just go straight to get the success.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 10:52 PM   #10
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The Bush Administration doesn't have to "buy" any votes. Or plead for support from any group.

The massive sweeping vote of confidence that they just won in the last election should tell you just exactly WHY they don't.

Compare this to the massive money and time that the left/lib types...especially the hollywood whackos...actually expended to try and defeat George W. in the last elections. And remember that they failed miserably in this.

Wake up call. Alarm's ringin. Better listen.
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