John Diefenbaker; rot in hell !!

MACSPECTRUM · Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:41 PM

Just had a day off and watched the entire Avro Arrow docu-drama created by Dan Aykdroyd (one hell of a Canadian !)

What kind of Canada would we see today if the Arrow had not been cancelled?

Wherever Diefenbaker is, I hope he is uncomfortable.
I don't know if Canada would have become a world class arms dealer, but I sure as hell would have liked to see the Canada that the Avro Arrow would have brought to fruition.

Vive le Canda libre!
Je me souviens.

MacDoc · Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:46 PM

What would have happened? - the US may not have made it to the moon. Many of the best went to the Apollo program.

WE might have had an aerospace industry much earlier.
Pompous sellout.

SINC · Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:52 PM

As a born and raised in Saskatchewan Canadian, I must say MACSPECTRUM that I am disappointed, no appalled to hear you use that kind of language to refer to a former Prime Minister, and it is especially disappointing at this time of year.

To ask that he rot in hell is repulsive to those of us who knew and loved him for the man he was, and I knew him personally.

I dare say had I mentioned anything near as nasty about the leaders involved in the current situation in the Ukraine, you would have held the same view of me.

I respectfully request you remove that distasteful thread topic.

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MACSPECTRUM · Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:58 PM

I understand and appreciate that J. Diefenbaker was a friend (altho' a policitally expident one0 of Ukrainian-Canadians, nonetheless, he crippled the growth of Canada.
My verdict stands.

Whether or not he uttered those now, so infomous words, "Shliak trafit" (Damn them all !) when speaking to a Ukr.-Cdn. conditingent during an election.

Sinc, these are not easy words for me to type, but I am a Canadian, first and foremost, and J. Difenbaker, certainly was not.

I stand by my words.

MBD · Dec 23rd, 2004, 10:05 PM

Ah Dief - I think he had a lot of pressure. Sure, I'm disappointed about the Arrow but Dief had a lot to deal with & it probably wasn't an easy decision for him.

SINC · Dec 23rd, 2004, 10:11 PM

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	Sinc, these are not easy words for me to type, but I am a Canadian, first and foremost, and J. Difenbaker, certainly was not. I stand by my words.

To even have the audacity to suggest that a former Prime Minister was "not Canadian" is ludicrous.

And obviously not easy to type. From the spelling and the words used, I suspect the wine might be talking tonight.

In the spirit of the season, I shall forget you used those words.

Merry Christmas to you.

Cheers

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MACSPECTRUM · Dec 23rd, 2004, 10:34 PM

You may forgive, but you should never forget.

Brainstrained · Dec 24th, 2004, 08:03 AM

I don't like to judge any one on the basis of one decision, especially a decision that in retrospect seems wrong but at the time was at best a split decision.

Dief was a proud Canadian, and far more willing to proclaim it than any previous prime minister and certainly far more willing than Conservative prime minister since.

Not only did he give Natives the vote, he appointed the first woman cabinet minister and passed the Bill of Rights, which set the stage for the Charter of Rights 20 years later.

He also opened China to western trade by being the first to sell them wheat and he (not Pearson) appointed the Royal Commission on Health Services which gave Pearson the opening to introduce medicare.

In my opinion he was not the best prime minister we've had, but he did much better than some people give him credit for.

Bosco · Dec 24th, 2004, 10:35 AM

Do you really think that the government getting into a business venture is a good thing? I like to think that they got out before they lost any more money.

gwillikers · Dec 24th, 2004, 11:28 AM

Dief was a great Canadian to be sure, I can remember being face to face with the man in the foyer of the Besborough Hotel in Saskatoon. I cannot stand to see him dis'ed. There's no way he'd do anything adverse to Canada knowingly. He loved this country.

Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:46 PM	#2
MacDoc Honourable Citizen Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Planet Earth.....on slow boil Posts: 28,080	What would have happened? - the US may not have made it to the moon. Many of the best went to the Apollo program. WE might have had an aerospace industry much earlier. Pompous sellout. __________________ Are you backed up??? if not why not? - Superduper is FREE!! Find out more here Support Green- buy Bullfrog Power http://www.bullfrogpower.com/

Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:52 PM	#3
SINC Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Central Alberta Posts: 39,859	As a born and raised in Saskatchewan Canadian, I must say MACSPECTRUM that I am disappointed, no appalled to hear you use that kind of language to refer to a former Prime Minister, and it is especially disappointing at this time of year. To ask that he rot in hell is repulsive to those of us who knew and loved him for the man he was, and I knew him personally. I dare say had I mentioned anything near as nasty about the leaders involved in the current situation in the Ukraine, you would have held the same view of me. I respectfully request you remove that distasteful thread topic. [img]graemlins/ptptptptptpt.gif[/img] __________________ Visit my website: St. Albert's Place "When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty." Never squat with your spurs on.

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MBD Honourable Citizen Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Boonies, Ontario Posts: 1,042	Ah Dief - I think he had a lot of pressure. Sure, I'm disappointed about the Arrow but Dief had a lot to deal with & it probably wasn't an easy decision for him. __________________ My Mac stuff: Desktop: MacPro 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon DP, 4GB RAM Laptop: 17" 2.8 Ghz Macbook Pro, Matte screen Entertainment: Macmini iPods: too many!

Dec 24th, 2004, 08:03 AM	#8
Brainstrained Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Bay, ON Posts: 1,038	I don't like to judge any one on the basis of one decision, especially a decision that in retrospect seems wrong but at the time was at best a split decision. Dief was a proud Canadian, and far more willing to proclaim it than any previous prime minister and certainly far more willing than Conservative prime minister since. Not only did he give Natives the vote, he appointed the first woman cabinet minister and passed the Bill of Rights, which set the stage for the Charter of Rights 20 years later. He also opened China to western trade by being the first to sell them wheat and he (not Pearson) appointed the Royal Commission on Health Services which gave Pearson the opening to introduce medicare. In my opinion he was not the best prime minister we've had, but he did much better than some people give him credit for. __________________ "Ooohhh! My brain hurts!"

Dec 24th, 2004, 10:35 AM	#9
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Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:41 PM	#1
MACSPECTRUM On Vacation Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,050	Just had a day off and watched the entire Avro Arrow docu-drama created by Dan Aykdroyd (one hell of a Canadian !) What kind of Canada would we see today if the Arrow had not been cancelled? Wherever Diefenbaker is, I hope he is uncomfortable. I don't know if Canada would have become a world class arms dealer, but I sure as hell would have liked to see the Canada that the Avro Arrow would have brought to fruition. Vive le Canda libre! Je me souviens.

Dec 23rd, 2004, 09:58 PM	#4
MACSPECTRUM On Vacation Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,050	I understand and appreciate that J. Diefenbaker was a friend (altho' a policitally expident one0 of Ukrainian-Canadians, nonetheless, he crippled the growth of Canada. My verdict stands. Whether or not he uttered those now, so infomous words, "Shliak trafit" (Damn them all !) when speaking to a Ukr.-Cdn. conditingent during an election. Sinc, these are not easy words for me to type, but I am a Canadian, first and foremost, and J. Difenbaker, certainly was not. I stand by my words.

Dec 23rd, 2004, 10:34 PM	#7
MACSPECTRUM On Vacation Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,050	You may forgive, but you should never forget.

Dec 24th, 2004, 11:28 AM	#10
gwillikers Cook/Chief Bottle Washer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Left Coast Posts: 3,162	Dief was a great Canadian to be sure, I can remember being face to face with the man in the foyer of the Besborough Hotel in Saskatoon. I cannot stand to see him dis'ed. There's no way he'd do anything adverse to Canada knowingly. He loved this country. __________________ IIci / IIsi / LC475 / Radius 81/110 / 7200/90 / UMAX S900 / UMAX S900/G3 / G4/466 / G4/867 / G4 1.25 MDD / G5 Dual 2.0 / Powerbook G4 15" 1.67 / MacBook Pro 15" 2.2 C2D + MacPro 2.8 Octo / Dell Mini 10v Netbook running OS X 10.6.2

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