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#1 ·
Seriously folks...

Every thread in this forum is derailed and taken WAY off topic by our resident 'nutt. Let's have one without him.

Particularly invited:
Pamela
Dr. G
GA
Well... Just about everybody.

Here are the rules:
1 No Macnutt
2 Ignore Macnutt
3 Don't mention Macnutt
4 Post things that make Macnutt mad
5 Don't let him get you mad
6 No Trolls (that means Macnutt)
7 Statements must be TRUE
8 Truths must be backed up with facts
9 Facts must be backed up with links
10 Have fun

I'll start:

Bill Clinton was a great president... Discuss!
 
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#2 ·
It'll never fly. The wheel is spinning but the hamster is gone!

Trust me on this!!



-H
 
#3 ·
thewitt, an interesting, albeit contentious idea. The only thing is that I am not in favor of banning "you know who" from any thread. I would be a hypocrit if I felt this way, since he wanted me to stop posting on ehMac until I got a Mac of my own, and only backed down on this "request" when I demanded that he put it to a vote of all ehMacLanders.

Thus, I shall abide by all the rules except #1 and #4 and #6. If his freedom is restricted then everyone's freedom is restricted. As well, why taunt him and then not let him respond?

This is like a private club, where certain people are not welcomed. I have been barred from certain places because I was Jewish, so I am not in favor of setting up a private domain for only certain people.

Points #2,3, 5,7,8,9 and 10 are fine with me, since it restricts no one and is in keeping with the basic idea of freedom of speech.
 
#5 ·
This is like a private club, where certain people are not welcomed. I have been barred from certain places because I was Jewish, so I am not in favor of setting up a private domain for only certain people.
Good Gawd, does this stuff still happen?!? Very sorry to hear that good Doctor. You have, as always, enlightened me...
 
#6 ·
Good Gawd, does this stuff still happen?
It certainly has in my lifetime, albeit not as frequently as years ago. I have seen people banned from things as paltry as a service club, a golf or curling club for various reasons to name but a few.

When I was a youngster growing up in western Canada after the second world war, there were many immigrants who came here from Europe seeking a better life. They "rode the rails" as a means of getting around the country and were labelled "DPs", which was short for "Displaced Persons". I saw far too many of them run off from public events, or groups or even churches.

It was sad, but as we lived right beside the railway tracks and just outside a major railway yard, many of them came to our door hungry, tired and cold. My mother always fed them and offered them blankets to curl up and rest in the large barn, out of the cold and wind.

Most of these people were "eastern Europeans" and the language barrier was a problem for them.

In short to answer your question, you bet this kind of thing still happens. Be very glad you live in a country where laws now prohibit open rejection of identifiable groups.

Cheers

 
#7 ·
At least if you're banned for being Jewish, there are certain factions in the world who will take up your cause.

How about being ostracized from woman's groups 'cuz you refuse to play dumb, and not being accepted at the men's table 'cuz you're not pretty and vapid or buxom enough or having your ideas pooh-poohed 'cuz your hairs a little gray but your name is Maggie instead of Albert - and then the final insult, you walk into a meeting an hour later and hear your idea being presented, but it's not you speaking!

Ah the world is yet a cruel place. It is hurtful to be ignored in any social situation where you feel you've contributed to the best of your ability.

Margaret
 
#8 ·
Bah! Macnutt is harmless. Infuriating at times, yes. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit there's kind of an odd spectator-sport element of wading into a thread--pretty much any thread within Everything Else--and being entertained by Macnutt's cowpatties of wisdom that he dispenses like candy from a Pez container.

Realizing you're being tongue-in-cheek with this thread, are you sure you're not taking things a little too personally? I don't agree with his views, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea that anyone--even him--should be shunned from a discussion.
 
#9 ·
"My mother always fed them and offered them blankets to curl up and rest in the large barn, out of the cold and wind." Sinc, your mother taught you well the real meaning of "always caring, always sharing". I have a feeling that your mother and my mother would have gotten along quite well had they ever met. Paix, mon ami.
 
#10 ·
Margaret, I refuse to be a member of any group, be it formal or informal, that treats women in the manner you speak of in your previous post. I have never been "one of the boys", sharing "humor" that demeans women (or any other group). As my wife has said, "A woman has to work twice as hard just to show that she is capable of doing the basic job of a man in certain companies." This is why she left Shell Canada in Calgary to come to St.John's where we could make a life together, as partners who are, by and large, equal in opportunity.
 
#11 ·
You read my mind thewitt! LOL!!! I was thinking of doing something like this shortly after the sushi fiasco! LOL! I thought to myself....hmmm...I wonder what a thread would be like without him. LOL!!


Needless to say I'M IN!!! :D

Let's get this party started!
 
#12 ·
you walk into a meeting an hour later and hear your idea being presented, but it's not you speaking!
Yanno? The boys don't realize this happens, but I am going through that right now, sort of. Several years ago I went to my VP with several ideas on how to increase the profitability of our department. ALL of the ideas were rejected, or worse I was told "You can go ahead and try them out, John is too busy to try anything new."

Now they want to use my ideas.

One more thing: I had a close friendship with a married heterosexual man at that company. I was told not to speak to him during business hours. During my disciplinary meeting regarding this issue, - yup I was disciplined for talking to a man - I was told and this is a quote:

"You are a femme fatale. Some people take offence to that"

My response to that was "Tell me you didn't just say that. Holy F ... this place is unbelievable !" [I was NOT disciplined for that ] Then I quit, never to venture into the corporate world again. That was 2001.

C'mon folks, does Macnutt drive you all THAT crazy? I for one enjoy his posts. I love how so many of you get your knickers all bunched up over his comments and sense of humor.

Cheers
Bo
 
#13 ·
I have no problem saying that I can't stand him or his ridiculous posts. I have *never* been able to stand a know it all. I have never been able to stand someone that just likes to hear themselves talk. Usually (in real life) I can ignore them and be on my merry way, but here, for some reason I just can't....usually because he just comes right in, uninvited, and starts either insulting people, or shooting off at the mouth like he is the almighty being that is sooo much more above the rest of us...AND/OR starts derailing threads. Kind of hard to ignore. It's like it real life when one of these types of people just comes and steps into a converation uninvited and *you* end up having to be the one that leaves just because they've ruined the entire experience.

I just can't stand the arrogance.

So right here, right now...I give thanks for this thread :D LOL!
 
#14 ·
you walk into a meeting an hour later and hear your idea being presented, but it's not you speaking!
I hate when that happens!


This isn't gender specific, let me tell ya. ;) My occupation is one that is based on developing creative solutions to convey ideas, messages, information or emotion. I could rattle off dozens of instances where I'm in brainstorm sessions with men and women where my ideas would be shot down only to be suddenly suddenly thought of an hour later by said shooters.


Luckily, though, our office environment is one that is a very positive and laid-back. When someone goofs in one fashion or another... we're prepared to poke fun of ourselves/each other. :D

There are some people, however that can't seem to look beyond a pitch and are, for some reason, either resistant to -- or can't see the bigger picture. They don't/won't take the time to really think the idea through enough to see the pros or cons until further down the road when they've explored every other possible option.

I won't go into specifics, but a co-worker I deal with on a regular basis has trouble (occasionally) communicating or understanding concepts. They're in a position of creative direction so the buck pretty much stops there, so it makes it hard to pitch an idea without bringing more than a simple sketch -- you pretty much have to go above and beyond in order to really break through their mental wall. Other employees seem to grasp each others ideas quickly and most often get into a creative zone where we collaborate and expound. It's pretty scary sometimes, but very much liberating. :D
 
#15 ·
Well in a way that's a relief that it doesn't just happen to women - I didn't think it did, but since I was usually the only woman who dared offer a suggestion I was the one getting shot down.

I once brought a whole project to a standstill 'cuz I showed them in black and white why it wouldn't work as designed and also gave an overview of a plan that *would* work to a co-worker who was the one presenting it as *his* save-the-day idea at that meeting I mentioned. The up-shot of the whole thing was that I was dismissed from the project team told to go back to my office and wipe my hard-drive (which I couldn't wait to do teehee) and an hour later when the meeting was over that dummy showed up in my office wanting the documents with my workable plan.

Well, guess what dimwit, you made sure they told me to delete all my files. The last of the hard copies just got gobbled up by the shredder - if you hurry, you can still grab them.

In the end they drove me stark raving bonkers, my friend Ed showed me how to weep pitifully, a nice doctor certified me, the company gave me a bucket of cash, the doctor gave me some nice pills and now I have the rest of my life to reminisce


Margaret
 
#16 ·
Hello,

The word "facts" can be somewhat deceiving as many, but not all, "facts" are based on the interpretations of people. Some may say that it is a "fact" that the health care system in Canada is falling apart. This "fact" can be backed up with various data such as waiting times for elective surgery.

However, someone with other "facts" may state that it is a "fact" that the health care system in Canada is improving. This "fact" could be backed up by looking at the average lifespan of Canadians today compared to say 20 years ago.

However, making statements without any "facts" is where people get into trouble. Just ask any student writing a research paper when the instructor asks, for example, "Gerry, where did you get this from? Can you back this up with some evidence other than anecdotal or your opinion?"

Gerry might respond, "err...no."

"Well, then, you get a C- for your paper."

"D'oh!"

But, I know for a "fact" that this thread will be interesting.


James
 
#17 ·
I didn't really take offense to the kaibosh of my ideas. It was when I got in trouble for TALKING to a man during office hours, then told I was a femme fatale and that people would take offence that I really started to wonder ...

It sure felt like a little pat on the bottom - go on honey, you go play with your database and CRM application - we don't have time for that nonsense.

Idiots. Now they want a CRM and want to use the model that I developed and helped program. Did I already call them idiots?

Honestly, you guys WAY overreact to him.
Where's the valium?

Hey Margaret ! Did they giv eyou any good meds? wanna share?

Cheers
Bo
 
#18 ·
j_s, without some specific theoretical rationales to provide a context and verification for one's personal viewpoints, your notion of Gerry getting a C- for his/her paper would not happen in my class.

"Gerry, where did you get this from? Can you back this up with some evidence other than anecdotal or your opinion?"

Gerry might respond, "err...no."

"Well, then, you get a C- for your paper."

"D'oh!"
 
#19 ·
bopeep, I agree with your contention that "Honestly, you guys WAY overreact to him.", if your use of the term "guys" is meant to be non gender specific.

As it is written in "The Way to Tranquility and Enlightenment According to Macnutt", "You must let go of all annoying habits and thoughts. When you are stressed about some situation in your life, simply forget to remember, and the situation will merely go away. Why worry about what other people think of you, especially when you know that you are always correct? Let them worry, and let them be concerned with your oversimplistic statements. For, in the final analysis, it is their problem. They have to live in the real world, whereas you are safe and secure in Paradise. For I am the path to Enlightenment, and to attain tranquility one must follow my path."
 
#22 ·
I once brought a whole project to a standstill 'cuz I showed them in black and white why it wouldn't work as designed and also gave an overview of a plan that *would* work to a co-worker who was the one presenting it as *his* save-the-day idea at that meeting I mentioned.
Man, that sounds familiar. I can remember a few dozen times when my group has reviewed another group's design and told them there's this or that wrong with the design. Of course that group goes ahead wit the design and sure enough they run into the problem we identified months ago and now they want a solution. Ummm... WE TOLD YOU SO. Now it's too late to fix the problem without restarting from square one. It gets escalated to mangement with a total bias against our group and it's our group's fault... yeah right. Now we got to create some damn @#$% workaround.
 
#23 ·
utbjw - lamb? you want lamb? you want a WHOLE lamb?
I can hook you up.

Local lamb might be hard to find due to the lack of hanging time available in our abbatoirs. Cattle bring in $200.00 slaughter fee and lamb = $50.00 for the same amount of work, and there is a bit of a surplus of cattle these days.

Anyway, if you really want more info PM me and I can try to help you out.

My fave breeds to eat BTW are: Kathadin [cat- a'-din] and North country Cheviot. Though you wouldn't be able to get the breeds at the grocery stores.

Longos apparently carries Ontario Lamb, but I have had some AWFUL Ontario lamb. Fatty and tough. eeeww.

Cheers
Bo
 
#26 ·
hey thewitt...notice how "he" hasn't been around here for a while?! I think it's cuz he got burned at the sushi thread and he's laying low for a while till people forget (and until this thread goes away). He'll come back and say it's cuz he's been *SO* busy bottling tap water and cruising in his yacht and being with his women....but we all know the truth ;) HEE HEE HEEEEEE!!! :cool:
 
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