More issues surrounding 9/11

iLabmAn · Sep 4th, 2004, 10:39 PM

http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf

Gretchen · Sep 4th, 2004, 11:16 PM

Ya that one's done pretty well...

A friend of our family was a pilot for TWA, his comment on some of what happened is...'impossible'. No questions, just flat out impossible.

But yet people buy it...These are some of the same people that are standing on the east coast of Florida...'cause it's us against the hurricane!'....

Jordan · Sep 5th, 2004, 02:04 AM

The Fifth Estate did a bit on 9/11 last year [even before Fahrenheit 9/11] about the Pentagon attack. They talked to people about what happened at the Pentagon, and it definitely was not a 747 that squeezed itself into a doorway [img]tongue.gif[/img] then magically disappeared. [img]graemlins/nuts.gif[/img]

imactheknife · Sep 5th, 2004, 08:27 AM

WOW..that is well done..it gives me shivers to think that this is a cover up.but in the U.S of A? [img]tongue.gif[/img] pretty scary stuff

MacDoc · Sep 5th, 2004, 08:58 AM

Yikes for me as well

BUT what DID happen to the other flight????? Hard to misplace a 757?? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And just when I THOUGHT I knew something this turned up in the Globe.......

	Quote:
	Another case of mass deception? ByLAWRENCE MARTIN Thursday, September 2, 2004 - Page A17 Where are the bodies? Was the other big war of the last decade, Kosovo in 1999, triggered by bogus allegations as well? Another case of mass deception?* In Iraq, it's the missing mass weapons of destruction. In Kosovo, it's the missing mass graves. In alleged ethnic cleansing exercises by Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic, as many as 100,000 to 200,000 civilians were said to have gone missing or been killed in Kosovo, many of them buried in mass graves. Members of a Canadian forensic team to the Serbian province have come forward to label the numbers nonsense. No mass graves, they say, and, on both the Albanian and Serb sides, only a few thousand dead. A mockery of the numbers used to justify the war. In The Hague this week, the war-crimes tribunal reopened with Mr. Milosevic's calling the genocide charges against him a lie and a treacherous distortion of history. He may well be the treacherous distorter. If his Serb armies weren't guilty as charged in Kosovo, there was his past record of bloodshed to consider. As someone wrote, Kosovo for Mr. Milosevic was like tax evasion for Al Capone: something they could nail him on. But that doesn't excuse going to war on the basis of flim-flam. The Kosovo story has etchings of Iraq all over it. The United States (the Democrats this time) and Britain (Tony Blair again) demonize an enemy with fraudulent accusations. They play the gullible media, Canada's included, like a violin. The latest person to debunk the genocide numbers is retired Vancouver homicide detective Brian Honeybourn, a member of the forensic team. He told The Ottawa Citizen this week that his nine-member group found mainly single graves, with a couple of exceptions being one of 20 bodies and another 11. He wonders how genocide charges against Mr. Milosevic can stand up. "It seems as though The Hague is beginning to panic." Garth Pritchard, a Canadian filmmaker, accompanied the forensic team to Kosovo. "This was a massacre that never happened." He joined mission leader Brian Strongman in lambasting Canadian Louise Arbour, the special prosecutor for the tribunal that brought the charges against Mr. Milosevic. Ms. Arbour, now the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, was used as a pawn by war-hungry Washington and London, they said. "I was standing there when the forensic teams were telling Louise Arbour there were no 200,000 bodies and she didn't want to know," Mr. Pritchard told the Citizen. Ms. Arbour's career path lit up after her war-crimes work. She was appointed to the Supreme Court of Canada, then to her UN post. The findings, or non-findings, of the Canadian forensic team are consistent with those of other teams of experts sent over since the war ended. At the time of the conflict, James Bissett, a former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, and Lewis MacKenzie, a major-general with a wealth of experience in the Balkan theatre, took issue with the tales being spun. But they, as well as some voices in the media, were drowned out by the drumbeat of war. U.S. defence secretary William Cohen was alleging that as many as 100,000 Albanian Kosovars had gone missing. Mr. Blair, in a preview of his comportment on Iraq, was crying horror upon horror. President Bill Clinton wanted to shift the focus off his domestic problems -- Monica Lewinsky etc. -- and was gung-ho for a NATO invasion. Looking back a couple of years after the conflict, defence minister Art Eggleton acknowledged that the propaganda coming out of the Pentagon was extraordinary. But the Chrétien Liberals, on close terms with the Clinton Democrats, weren't about to buck the White House on Kosovo, as they would on Iraq. The allies were all on board for an attack, making it extremely unlikely that Canada would be the odd one out. But having everybody in the wagon doesn't excuse what happened. If the forensic teams' stories are correct, the missing dead in Kosovo is indeed a scandal comparable to the absence of WMD in Iraq. In a five-year period, political leaders twice duped their populations into going to war

........geez did I wakeup in an Orwellian nightmare or what.
Let's rewrite "history as we think we know it" a few more times.

I mean...THE GLOBE

imactheknife · Sep 5th, 2004, 09:06 AM

WOW...did I say wow again in the same thread! thats unbelievable,,,yet strangely it doesn't shock me...what is going on?????? is everything not as it seems? maybe tomorrow we will find out Paul Martin is really Jean chretian with makeup and plastic surgery! cause he didn't want to retire yet...

MACSPECTRUM · Sep 5th, 2004, 12:03 PM

simply amazing
pass the Kool-Aid
[img]tongue.gif[/img]

TroutMaskReplica · Sep 5th, 2004, 01:16 PM

actually if the plane slammed into the building at high enough speed there wouldn't be anything left.

i'm talking space shuttle speeds [img]tongue.gif[/img]

MacNutt · Sep 5th, 2004, 05:00 PM

Well, it's certainly an interesting film allright. Raises some questions, for sure.

But we do have to keep a few facts in mind here. One very pertinent one, is that aircraft are actually very flimsy lightweight structures. When they hit any soilid object like a building or the ground (or the Pentagon) they usually vaporise into tiny shreds of aluminium. Often,the only large parts that are left are the motors and the landing gear...especially in a high speed crash.

(that photo of the "punched out wall" could very well be from a jet engine. It's certainly the right size).

Another fact to keep in mind is that, while a commercial jetliner flies at "530 MPH"...it rarely does so at less than a height of thirty thousand feet or thereabouts, where the air is much thinner. It's unlikely that the 757 was traveling at anywhere near this speed that low to the ground. Half that would be more believeable.

Also...the Pentagon was built during WW2, and it was designed from the get go as a severely hardened structure. It has been reinforced since then. The Hoover Dam is probably weaker than the Pentagon. If an aircraft were to fly into the side of it, then there would not be much left of the airplane a second or so later. It was actually designed for this sort of eventuality.

Finally, there may be some confusion out there about the actual size of a Boeing 757. It is a MUCH smaller plane than a jumbo 747. It is actually a "narrow-body" airliner that was designed to fill the place of the medium sized 727 on domestic commuter routes. The 767 is a wider bodied version of pretty much the same aircraft.

I Should note that I still have some unanswered questions after watching the film. I'd really like to see the surveillance photos from the gas station and the hotel rooftop.

But...then again...I'd also still like to know who really shot JFK as well.

Gretchen · Sep 5th, 2004, 05:53 PM

I'm not sure of the addess anymore, but have you ever seen the official explanation? It's just laughable. They are trying to say that the wings jack knifed or folded into the body of the plane. Well okay fair enough that would indicate that it stayed pretty well intact. Where is it? Where was is minutes after the 'crash'?

As they say in the 'movie' commercial airliners that crash leave a huge amount of debris. Someones got a really good ShopVac!! [img]graemlins/lmao.gif[/img]

Sep 4th, 2004, 10:39 PM	#1
iLabmAn Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Orangeville, Ontario Posts: 1,393	http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf __________________ PowerMac Dual 800MHZ Quicksilver, Intel Dual Core Mac Mini

Sep 4th, 2004, 11:16 PM	#2
Gretchen Full Citizen Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 558	Ya that one's done pretty well... A friend of our family was a pilot for TWA, his comment on some of what happened is...'impossible'. No questions, just flat out impossible. But yet people buy it...These are some of the same people that are standing on the east coast of Florida...'cause it's us against the hurricane!'.... __________________ "Sure you can.....but you'll die."

Sep 5th, 2004, 02:04 AM	#3
Jordan Full Citizen Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Powell River BC Posts: 762	The Fifth Estate did a bit on 9/11 last year [even before Fahrenheit 9/11] about the Pentagon attack. They talked to people about what happened at the Pentagon, and it definitely was not a 747 that squeezed itself into a doorway [img]tongue.gif[/img] then magically disappeared. [img]graemlins/nuts.gif[/img] __________________ Different Tree Same Wood

Sep 5th, 2004, 08:27 AM	#4
imactheknife Honourable Citizen Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back In Collingwood.. Posts: 1,882	WOW..that is well done..it gives me shivers to think that this is a cover up.but in the U.S of A? [img]tongue.gif[/img] pretty scary stuff __________________ My Avatar picture of me is outside the Apple Store at the Fashion show mall in Las Vegas 2003. I use a Core duo 20" Imac and a Core 2 Duo Mac Mini.

Sep 5th, 2004, 09:06 AM	#6
imactheknife Honourable Citizen Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back In Collingwood.. Posts: 1,882	WOW...did I say wow again in the same thread! thats unbelievable,,,yet strangely it doesn't shock me...what is going on?????? is everything not as it seems? maybe tomorrow we will find out Paul Martin is really Jean chretian with makeup and plastic surgery! cause he didn't want to retire yet... __________________ My Avatar picture of me is outside the Apple Store at the Fashion show mall in Las Vegas 2003. I use a Core duo 20" Imac and a Core 2 Duo Mac Mini.

Sep 5th, 2004, 12:03 PM	#7
MACSPECTRUM On Vacation Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,050	simply amazing pass the Kool-Aid [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Sep 5th, 2004, 01:16 PM	#8
TroutMaskReplica Honourable Citizen Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,355	actually if the plane slammed into the building at high enough speed there wouldn't be anything left. i'm talking space shuttle speeds [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ intel iMac 20" dual core 2 ghz, Dual 1.25ghz MDD

Sep 5th, 2004, 05:00 PM	#9
MacNutt Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Salt Spring Island B.C. Posts: 8,774	Well, it's certainly an interesting film allright. Raises some questions, for sure. But we do have to keep a few facts in mind here. One very pertinent one, is that aircraft are actually very flimsy lightweight structures. When they hit any soilid object like a building or the ground (or the Pentagon) they usually vaporise into tiny shreds of aluminium. Often,the only large parts that are left are the motors and the landing gear...especially in a high speed crash. (that photo of the "punched out wall" could very well be from a jet engine. It's certainly the right size). Another fact to keep in mind is that, while a commercial jetliner flies at "530 MPH"...it rarely does so at less than a height of thirty thousand feet or thereabouts, where the air is much thinner. It's unlikely that the 757 was traveling at anywhere near this speed that low to the ground. Half that would be more believeable. Also...the Pentagon was built during WW2, and it was designed from the get go as a severely hardened structure. It has been reinforced since then. The Hoover Dam is probably weaker than the Pentagon. If an aircraft were to fly into the side of it, then there would not be much left of the airplane a second or so later. It was actually designed for this sort of eventuality. Finally, there may be some confusion out there about the actual size of a Boeing 757. It is a MUCH smaller plane than a jumbo 747. It is actually a "narrow-body" airliner that was designed to fill the place of the medium sized 727 on domestic commuter routes. The 767 is a wider bodied version of pretty much the same aircraft. I Should note that I still have some unanswered questions after watching the film. I'd really like to see the surveillance photos from the gas station and the hotel rooftop. But...then again...I'd also still like to know who really shot JFK as well.

Sep 5th, 2004, 05:53 PM	#10
Gretchen Full Citizen Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 558	I'm not sure of the addess anymore, but have you ever seen the official explanation? It's just laughable. They are trying to say that the wings jack knifed or folded into the body of the plane. Well okay fair enough that would indicate that it stayed pretty well intact. Where is it? Where was is minutes after the 'crash'? As they say in the 'movie' commercial airliners that crash leave a huge amount of debris. Someones got a really good ShopVac!! [img]graemlins/lmao.gif[/img] __________________ "Sure you can.....but you'll die."

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