Farenheit 9/11

used to be jwoodget

Don't ask why, but I'm currently staying at the Ritz-Carlton in Washington for a couple of days. If you've seen the movie, this hotel is shown as the meeting place between various Saudi businessmen and members of the Bush entourage. There are 40 TV channels on the in-room TV (its a *very* nice hotel...). These include 6 different arabic channels including Al-Jezerra, Dubai TV, Dubai Sports and Abou Dabi. Right next to Fox News.

PosterBoy

Of interest to those with an open mind:

59 (and counting) deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11

I encourage anyone who's already seen the film to read it (all of it).

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Goobernatorial

I stopped reading when the guy compares Moore making a film about 9/11 to a Klansman making a film about Rosa Parks. Quite obviously this guy is just as biased as Moore if not more. Who is checking his info to make sure he isn't the deceitful one?

IMO I believe that the overall message of the film is that the Bush administration has used the tragedy of 9/11 to erode the rights of US citizens and to invade Iraq, which is pretty much true and it seems that finally people in the US are realizing that safety at the cost of your freedom isn't really a good trade off.

God Help America.

[ July 07, 2004, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: Goobernatorial ]

WSpano

I read an unbiased (really) article about the movie here on an Aussie paper. And the one quote that makes me laugh by Moore was (as best I can remember) was.

"It doesn't matter if there are inconsistancies or mistakes in the film, the idea is to beat Bush."

I'm sorry, if you want to make a film, make a film, don't call it a "Documentary" if there are inaccuracies.

At the end of it all, what scares me is that people will watch this film and belive it to be gospel, but then again, people watch cnn and so forth and believe it to be gospel as well. So what can you do?

depmode101

i highly doubt that Moore would ever say that.
he always fights back to prove that there are no inconsistancies when someone suggests any.

check out http://www.michaelmoore.com for his updates which show him backing up any claims he made in the movie.

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MacDoc

Ironic isn't that the shrub fans take other "good books" literally without the same critical eye.

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james_squared

Hello,

My wife and I saw the movie last Friday at 12:30 p.m. There were only about 20 or 30 people in the theatre, which I suppose is because it was 12:30 p.m. on a sunny Friday. There was applause at the end of the movie and I thought the show was pretty good, but I am always sceptical about people's biases and agendas (whether hidden or not).

James

MacDoc

My staff has been trying to see it in Mississauga and much to my surprise it's been sold out every time.

Hmmmmm....the movie opened on the Friday before the election and Ontario and other parts of the country foxed the pollsters big time.

Since all the theatres where generally sold out for the movie that weekend it hard not to believe there may well have been some impact on the vote.
I have not seen a single speculation to that effect. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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PosterBoy

Quite obviously this guy is just as biased as Moore if not more.

You have Moore on one side, you have the guy counting deceits on the other. The truth, invariably, falls in the middle.

The analogy made about Rosa Parks though:

<blockquote>"If a Klansman made a film which feigned admiration for Rosa Parks, that too would be a form of deceit, even if the film were accurate in its portrayal of Parks as a great American hero."</blockquote>

Though extreme, I am not sure is invalid. I've yet to see the film (or finish reading the list of 59 deceits), so I'll save any judgement for after I have.

Needless to say, though, that after Bowling for Columbine I will be going in fairly skeptical.

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PosterBoy

Since all the theatres where generally sold out for the movie that weekend it hard not to believe there may well have been some impact on the vote.

It's worth noting that while it was indeed sold out just about everywhere it was playing for the first weekend or two, it was also only playing on ~2/5 to 1/2 the number of screens as everything else was.

Not necessarily Moores doing, but it is buzz generating market manipulation, a technique that is quite commonly used.

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