Tax grab notwithstanding, why are people so opposed to photo radar? If you obey the rules of the road and don't drive like an idiot, this should be an non-issue for most.
ok, so what's next?
photo cameras at cross walks to make sure people point fingers before they cross?
cameras at intersections to make sure you come to a ful and complete stop before proceeding?
tell me that nobody here has ever "rolled" thru an interection
also, the problem with photo radar is that the ticket is issued to the owner of the vechicle and NOT the driver
it's a moving violation and somehow the owner of the car is now responsible for the fine?
this doens't cause concern?
ever drive on the 400 northbound in the summer and try to keep it below 100 km/hr?
people tried to keep it below on the 401 as an experiment and they were ticketed for delaying traffic
if the radar is set to 110 km/hr. it's a licence to print money
photo radar is just the thin edge of the wedge
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it's just plain wrong
Wrong to enforce the law?
Tell you what Macspectum, if you ever lose a loved one (and I hope that *never* happens!) on account of someone else's carelessness and pure recklessness (as in being hit head-on by a nut case driving almost twice the posted speed limit), get back to me and tell me how you feel about everyone's apparent entitlement to drive however fast they damn well feel. Let me know then if the state still has no right to uphold the law and punish (in the most trivial of ways...a ticket) those who wilfully put everyone's life at risk.
Postscript: to say that photo radar is wrong because it could be subject to abuse is an inherently flawed argument. By that measure, the state ought not to be able to issue fines or levies for anything (whether it's assessing your property taxes or issuing parking tickets etc). Everything in life is subject to abuse, that doesn't take away one bit from the merits of doing something, especially when one of the key benefits of taking action is that lives are saved.
Stats Can reports that approximately 3,350 people are killed in road accidents every year (that data is sourced from 1996 baseline figures culled from their survey of North American transportation). It hardly looks like an impressive figure. But then stop and consider that every one of these digits represents a life (father, mother, child, friend) stopped abruptly. It's not like other health issues where the root causes might extend over a lifetime (i.e., diet and smoking linked to cancer and diabetes, etc). With road accidents, a good chunk of those deaths are entirely preventable...let me say that again...entirely preventable...just by slowing down, observing the rules, and respecting everyone's right to get home alive. No one likes to get a ticket--and everyone hates getting caught breaking the law--but there are some very good reasons why those laws are there.
If you get a ticket that you disagree with, fight it in court.
What the big deal about driving the speed limit on the 400 series highways? Are you affraid of people giving you dirty looks? Even travelling over the speed limit people give you dirty looks for not going as fast as them. You'll never please commuters no matter how fast you go. Best thing to do is just obey the laws, and you won't get fined.
As for the obstruction thing, cops don't fine people moving the speed of traffic. Sure the average speed usually amounts to 110-120, just because the thing takes your picture it is still thier discretion whether to send you the ticket or not. The big bucks are in those who travel 125+. [img]graemlins/greedy.gif[/img]
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Someone putting along in the middle or far lane doing the speed limit is a far greater hazard on the road than those doing 120 km/hr
If I were a cop I'd throw the book at them for reckless endangerment.
P-Gant photo radar will never deter that kind of driver - in fact it may make it more likely as that type of driver will take more reckless chances.
Also drivers moving in tandem lose their orientation to other vehicles, pay less attention etc.
Also the statistically safest drivers run about 10% above the traffic flow especially on entering traffic. If you are pilot you know why.
It's a tax grab. He'll get tossed real quick if he tries it.
The kind of "blitzes" on unsafe vehicles, tail gaters, etc have been an admirable initiative. Red light camera's at specific problem intersections have proved useful.
Camera radar is a tax grad. There was already a love afoot to get the limit up to 130 where it should be given the road design.
Put the speed limit there - set the radar for 145 - then it might be valid. We travelled days at 160 on tighter smaller roads in Europe.
McGuinty is not looking good in my eyes these days. Can we say ....fumble.
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