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Originally Posted by eMacMan
Once the precedent for charter abuse has been set, further abuse is inevitable and on far flimsier pretexts. Perhaps it might even go as far as pro-democracy demonstrators being surreptitiously shipped to the US so confessions can be tortured from their swollen lips. Time will tell.
King Harpo has further shown his disdain of the Charter with the introduction of Bill C-30. Clearly he is intent on defiling the Charter. For most Canadians this cannot in any way be considered a good thing.
Perhaps in your world that seems to be based in FUD... my world is based on evidence on a case by case basis as opposed to broad generalizations based on Fear, uncertainty and doubt the very things you seem to be be most interested in...
Perhaps in your world that seems to be based in FUD... my world is based on evidence on a case by case basis as opposed to broad generalizations based on Fear, uncertainty and doubt the very things you seem to be be most interested in...
The sky is falling...!!!! Take shelter!!!!
The evidence is the guy has been in prison for 10 years without due process of law and with absolute distain from his own government, in contravention of normal international protocol for dealing with people who are both children and in war zones. I am a conservative and I find this very very disturbing. due process is what stands between you and big brother. You jeopardize it in any way at your peril.
Certainly, I hope issues involving suspected terrorists are very few and far between.
However, when the Supreme Court of Canada rules that the Federal Government is violating a citizen's Charter rights, I would hope that we don't take a single step down that slippery slope by not addressing the issue promptly, as that does impact the average Canadian.
He was there under his fathers care. His father was doing charity relief work. If you don't have a good relationship with the Taliban, and give them money, they kill you. It may or may not have been a front for supporting Islamic extremists. .
It could happen to you.
His dad was a terrorist. Don't try to say otherwise.
Taken from wiki"Because his father, Ahmed Khadr, had raised his family in Peshawar, Pakistan since 1985,[36][37] Omar spent his life moving back and forth between Canada and Pakistan. His mother also wished to raise her family outside of Canada due to her animosity toward Western social influences.[38] Khadr was enrolled in a school in Peshawar.
In 1992, Khadr's father was severely injured while in Logar, Afghanistan; the Khadr family moved back to Toronto so he could recuperate. .[37]"
Even the mother hated Western life. But they came here to use our country when it suited them, real upstanding people. Leave him there.
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His dad was a terrorist. Don't try to say otherwise.
Taken from wiki"Because his father, Ahmed Khadr, had raised his family in Peshawar, Pakistan since 1985,[36][37] Omar spent his life moving back and forth between Canada and Pakistan. His mother also wished to raise her family outside of Canada due to her animosity toward Western social influences.[38] Khadr was enrolled in a school in Peshawar.
In 1992, Khadr's father was severely injured while in Logar, Afghanistan; the Khadr family moved back to Toronto so he could recuperate. .[37]"
Even the mother hated Western life. But they came here to use our country when it suited them, real upstanding people. Leave him there.
Just because someone hates Canada does not make them a terrorist. And a 15 year old kid defending himself when his house is under attack does not make him a terrorist either. If anything, it makes him normal.
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Not really the, circumstances surrounding Khadr are extremely rare and not likely to be replicated any time soon and I can't see how his situation "makes everyone a potential victim of similar abuse" as there is no logical argument for saying so, it is an unique individual situation that has absolutely nothing to do with the average Canadaian... nothing. Sorry have to call FUD on that post.
It isn't so much the situation under the charter, but the relationship the federal government has with the Supreme Court that interests me here. If they find that Khadr's Charter rights are being violated, and the only method of redress is action by the feds, does that not mean they're required to act?
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The evidence is the guy has been in prison for 10 years without due process of law and with absolute distain from his own government, in contravention of normal international protocol for dealing with people who are both children and in war zones. I am a conservative and I find this very very disturbing. due process is what stands between you and big brother. You jeopardize it in any way at your peril.
Lichen Software I was commenting specifically on eMacMan's claim that the Khadr case puts us all at risk for such treatment... It simply does not.
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It isn't so much the situation under the charter, but the relationship the federal government has with the Supreme Court that interests me here. If they find that Khadr's Charter rights are being violated, and the only method of redress is action by the feds, does that not mean they're required to act?
On this I agree, on it being an example of a slippery slope that puts all of us at risk I do not as this is a very unique case and situation.
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