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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 01:48 AM   #21
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Also if we except the nut job back, then what about all the other Canadians on death row throughout USA, can't pick and choose - send them all back home or keep them all
There must be a line drawn.
Let him pay his crimes over there.
There is only one Canadian on death row in the US is my understanding. Very different circumstances from Khadr, too.

Only Canadian on death row could lose clemency bid before it begins - The Globe and Mail
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #22
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it really is amazing that some people try so hard to have their view of the world fit some cartoonish black & white version they hope it actually is.

"Omar Khadr was a "terrorist" who killed someone" (although they leave out allegedly). of course they also forget to mention that "someone" was part of an invading force that had surrounded him and was actively trying to harm him (and in fact DID grievously harm him).

Doesn't really fit the description of "terrorism" under any kind of critical scrutiny.
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #23
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1. If I am surrounded by invading troops and all around me are being killed, I will fight back. The ultimate sovereinty is soverienty of self. If you give that up, you give up all. If he actualy did anything, that is what he is being charged for.

2. By Geneva convention standards and world court standards, he was a child soldier and in any other juristiction he would have been back here long ago. The American set up has dubious legitimacy. This is a country that cries foul but will not submit to the world court because their own leaders might be charged. This is also a military court with dubious practices. I have little faith in current American justice and slim to 0 faith in their military court system.

3. It would appear that the Goverment of Canada really doesn't like his family, and from what I read with fairly good reason, but you don't tar the kid with the father's brush.

4. The crimes are alledged, not proven.

Sorry, I can't support the vitriol, especially when the charging party is making up the rules as they go along. I the long run, this is far more dangerous than anything Kahder has done.
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 07:32 AM   #24
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1. If I am surrounded by invading troops and all around me are being killed, I will fight back. The ultimate sovereinty is soverienty of self. If you give that up, you give up all. If he actualy did anything, that is what he is being charged for.

2. By Geneva convention standards and world court standards, he was a child soldier and in any other juristiction he would have been back here long ago. The American set up has dubious legitimacy. This is a country that cries foul but will not submit to the world court because their own leaders might be charged. This is also a military court with dubious practices. I have little faith in current American justice and slim to 0 faith in their military court system.

3. It would appear that the Goverment of Canada really doesn't like his family, and from what I read with fairly good reason, but you don't tar the kid with the father's brush.

4. The crimes are alledged, not proven.

Sorry, I can't support the vitriol, especially when the charging party is making up the rules as they go along. I the long run, this is far more dangerous than anything Kahder has done.
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 07:47 AM   #25
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The apple never falls far from the tree.

Really?

What a great way to streamline our justice system! Offspring of convicted (or even accused but never convicted) felons no longer require anything more that a summary trial before sentencing.
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 08:20 AM   #26
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The apple never falls far from the tree.
I grew up small town. Yup, there is some truth to that as I have been able to watch over a few generations and seen traits either inherited or family tradition passed on. There is also to falsity as even in families where traits, desireable and otherwise were consistently passed on, there is usually at least one person different from the rest.

The real falsity here is we are in a country that believes in both guilty until proven innocent and that justice delayed is justice denied. You cannot make the quote above and still support the justice system as we know it. He was 15 when all this happened. He is in his twenties now. He has pretty much already done the time without ever being convicted of the crime. How do you spell Gulag (probably not like this as I can't spell for beans and I am on an iPad).
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 08:35 AM   #27
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Obviously there are some people who believe in the application of the law and others that don't. The really sad thing about Khadr is that he has rotted away over a decade of his life whereas if a policy like children's aid had been applied there would have been a chance that the young man could have led a better life. I think it's almost pointless debating the fearful crowd on this issue. The propagandists have done a good job gaining support for programs like torture, renditioning, etc.
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Old Apr 19th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #28
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2. By Geneva convention standards and world court standards, he was a child soldier and in any other juristiction he would have been back here long ago

Interesting. I did not know this. Before I sway my thoughts though, this would be akin to a child being tried as an adult. Wasn't this kid 15? If his parents forced him to go that is one thing, if we wanted to go that's another. I know the right wing is saying he was a kid and would have been subject to parental pressure without it being said but I don't always buy that. It all depends on the circumstance.

The other side to this is that perhaps he should have been returned, tried with treason, murder and if found guilty put him in jail and eventually give him a one way ticket out of Canada when his time has been served.
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The Canadian Supreme Court has ruled that the Canadian government has violated Omar Khadr's Charter rights in not seeking his repatriation.

That's enough for me. The Charter applies to all our citizens, not just the ones we like.
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The Canadian Supreme Court has ruled that the Canadian government has violated Omar Khadr's Charter rights in not seeking his repatriation.

That's enough for me. The Charter applies to all our citizens, not just the ones we like.
Very true, Sonal. While I don't advocate violence, I still see him as a child soldier. Paix, mon amie.
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