Did you hear this joke? A little girl draws a photo of her dad...
This is, bar none, one of the worst overreactions by a teacher, principle, CSA and the police!
I sure wish I was a lawyer b/c I would take this on pro bono and sue every one of them for as much as I could possibly get.
My youngest drew a picture of my wife holding a bottle of wine b/c she sometimes has a glass with supper. I would have gone 'nuclear' if the same sort of thing happened. Heck, I hunt and my boys have been with me too. In fact, now that I think of it, my oldest drew a picture of me with a dead deer at my feet, rifle in my hand, blood all over - I would have snapped if officials had come to my house. (Yes, I did have a chat with him that some people might not understand the photo so lay off the blood the next time).
Back to this story - sure, I will admit that perhaps there is more to this story, but from the current optics, it doesn't look pretty at all.
A gross overreaction on the part of the school and the police. I can understand the initial concern on the part of the principal, but since the principal knew this man, there should have been a far more logical way to deal with this situation at the onset.
Finding fault with the actions of the teacher and principal is easy in this case, However, in the province of Ontario, any educational professional has a legal responsibility to report to Family and Children's Services even if there is a suspicion of danger to a child in his or her care. It is incumbent of FCS to determine the validity of the suspicion and take the appropriate action. The decision to involve law enforcement is the decision of FCS.
Although one would expect that this situation could have been easily dealt with by the teacher and principal, they would both be legally responsible for not reporting immediately if they had been mistaken. I am fortunate that I have never been in the position of needing to make a call to FCS; this example of over-reaction demonstrates the problem with this regulation.
Finding fault with the actions of the teacher and principal is easy in this case, However, in the province of Ontario, any educational professional has a legal responsibility to report to Family and Children's Services even if there is a suspicion of danger to a child in his or her care. It is incumbent of FCS to determine the validity of the suspicion and take the appropriate action. The decision to involve law enforcement is the decision of FCS.
Although one would expect that this situation could have been easily dealt with by the teacher and principal, they would both be legally responsible for not reporting immediately if they had been mistaken. I am fortunate that I have never been in the position of needing to make a call to FCS; this example of over-reaction demonstrates the problem with this regulation.
Suspicion of Danger?? Nothing had to be dealt with. Please. What would be the mistake? To think you would have been legally responsible for someone else’s actions is silly. What danger would you see if some child draws a picture of a gun? I guess if I had grown up in these times I would not know who my father is then.
Wait this is the same school system who thinks it is ok to not fail a child. Hmmm. Pat them on the back and send them through. I don't care if you actually learn anything but I think I might get in trouble if I don't report the picture you have drawn to the FCS. So I will ruin your family instead of my job of taking real responsibility and failing my or anyone else's child who doesn't make the grade.
+1
insanity on all levels from School and Police they should all be ashamed of themselves..
I had an experience - not to that level but almost..
when my daughter was 2.5 to 3 yrs of age - we were potty training..
she screamed 'a pee a pee' so i ran to pick her up to save the carpets and took her to the bathroom, in my rush I bounced the door open with her face..
she received a slight shiner.
My wife dropped off our daughter the next day to Montessori, not sure if she was being cruel to me but forgot to explain the shiner.
I went to pick her up and was cornered by 4 ladies including the school director..[blocked the exits] saying that my daughter says I beat her with a door for peeing on the carpet..
I replied saying its not what you think it is.. [ they replied they all say that]
any how I managed to get the 4 over barring ladies and director to listen..they excepted my story but warned me one more mark of any kind and I am screwed..
I said give me a break - do you know kids get marked everyday..
she said - well, make sure she doesn't..
so after my experience - I feel for these parents.. they were abused by the school and police.. a simple interview and search of the home, not his testicles would of resolved the issue calmly and properly.
Stories like this a clear examples why teachers and police need to be held to the same standards they are expected to enforce. Not only should lines be clearly drawn but minimum penalties enforced when they step over the line.
Hey King Harpo has to fill those jails somehow, and rogue cops and principals are as good a place to start as any.
I read this story a few days ago and was soooo pi**ed at those morons--the school, child services, the cops, etc. that I just could not bring myself to even discuss this. Utterly unbelievable, beyond stupidity...and the cops, they should be sued.
Well the social re-engineering of Canadians regarding firearms seems to have worked in this case. This morning Monday Feb/27th at 9am Jeff Allan of 570am News/Talk Radio is scheduled to interview Waterloo Region Police Chief Matt Torigian about this incident.
I'm wondering what would have happened to a guy like me who legally owns quite a few the real thing or the father if he was a collector or sport shooter and actually owned real handguns? They'd probably fabricate a slew of unsafe storage charges after having their way with you during the strip search.LOL
If I was there I would have hard time to decide how to call investigating police officer - comarade comissar (if he was NKVD/KGB) or Herr Sharfuehrer (if he was Gastapo/SS) ...:yikes:
Somebody should really pay for it - principal shold be fired and baned from being close to children, all police officers should be striped from their ranks and kicked out ... and all together should pay that guy for all they caused ...
In a civilized country, the police approach you and say: "Excuse me Sir, we have received a complaint and we would like to talk to you about it."
not
"On the grown, mo-fo, don't move or you're dead" and then do an illegal search on your person and your house.
BTW, chief Torigian is the one Candice Hopner chewed out during the c-19hearings defending the registry, he's also the president of the Ontario Chiefs of Police...as politicaly moronic as Blair. LOL
I was involved with a Government task force which a reporter attended regularly and wrote an article for the news services every day.
Pretty much every day there was information in the article about these meetings that was absolutely wrong and people were quoted incorrectly and totally out of context.
When I brought that up with the chair person the comments was that this happens all the time with news articles and it's just pointless to try to correct it.
In this article for instance - how can the police charge anybody with possession of a firearm unless they at least have a firearm.
Unless I missed it in the article, the only thing even resembling a firearm was a plastic toy gun.
And even if the father did have a firearm, it's perfectly legal in Canada if one has the appropriate license.
I really have a hard time accepting that some of the details described actually happened.
But it sure is fun to react strongly to an issue that we know very little about. You might as well be watching Maury Povich or Judge Judy, where you can make your mind up about a situation less than ten seconds after being introduced to it.
I'm curious what would happen if the guy claims, that he had at home let's say $50,000 and now they are missing? I know it happend in Germany 25 years ago ... Berlin police did illegal/inapproved appartment search - guy claimed missing 200,000 Marks and police ended paying ...
WOW! So if kids start playing hangman (as I did when I was young) that means somebody's being hung? I mean seriously. Nobody thought that there is some interpretation to be done here?
I mean I see pictures during the weather on CTV from kids and I can't make out half of what they are trying to portray. Neither can the weatherman, I think.
Nobody thought to ask the kid a few questions about what she was drawing? (In a calm voice and environment).
Heck rather than a dart gun it could have been him playing one of the Call or Duty games without the gun (the gun being the gun from the screen) or using one of the guns provided with a game, or as the original Op said hunting. Somebody jumped to conclusions rather fast.
That's maybe the problem today, people jumping to conclusions. No indepth analysis or checking of facts. Just as krs says, some media don't print all the facts or dig deep enough.
The Police Chief had better of raked these guys over the coals. That guy deserves a public apology and more... like a reverse fine. The police constables should pay the guy a fine...
Occurs to me that the kidlet became familiar with guns via the TV rather than the home environment. Since the probability of that is about 98% the entire incident should have been approached with that thought foremost in the heads of the assorted morons.
I favour a one month salary fine for the principal and teacher. Three weeks for the police officers involved, their first contact was anything but first hand so I am cutting them just a tiny bit of slack. Two months to the police chief for creating an environment where the officers could even begin to think they were acting appropriately. Two weeks for the social worker for not being sufficiently well trained to penetrate the hysteria and see her intervention was counter to the best interests of the children. All fines to be paid to the parents.
One of the problems with authority figures not being held responsible for their actions is it eventually escalates to this level of absurdity. I like the reverse fine idea as it does give the idiots a chance to reform. Failing to reform they will soon retire from their positions as all their pay is going to other parties.
I understand the teachers reporting it and feeling some concern, but that is where it should have ended. I see no need for the police to be called immediately. If children's & family services did a quick investigation I think they would have quickly come to the conclusion that the kids have decent parents and and the kid was just doing a drawing.
I favour a one month salary fine for the principal and teacher. Three weeks for the police officers involved, their first contact was anything but first hand so I am cutting them just a tiny bit of slack. Two months to the police chief for creating an environment where the officers could even begin to think they were acting appropriately. Two weeks for the social worker for not being sufficiently well trained to penetrate the hysteria and see her intervention was counter to the best interests of the children. All fines to be paid to the parents.
That idiot Torigian is still balming the evil gun lobby for much of the bad publicity. :lmao: Like the rest of the citizenry are stupid and can't see his tactics for what they are.
That idiot Torigian is still balming the evil gun lobby for much of the bad publicity. :lmao: Like the rest of the citizenry are stupid and can't see his tactics for what they are.
Lard the idiot has to share an IQ score with Vic Toews. He is wasting every bodies time attempting to justify the unjustifiable. I am upping the suggested fine for the police chief to three months pay.
Pure and simple this is a bunch of adults letting their own overly vivid imaginations run hog wild after encountering a normal kid that has not been drugged into a Zombie like coma.
"If there is a drawing where there is some information relayed through that drawing that children may have access to what is described as a gun, and that access may be unsupervised and these children may be concerned because the gun was pointed at them and they didn't feel safe, that would concern anyone," said Scott, speaking theoretically.
Did anyone really talk and listen to what the child had to say???
I'm assuming the father is interpreting what his daughter told him and sounds like the only one who talked to the child.
I mean a child could draw anything. She could draw her brother with a gun, because he got a new cap gun for Christmas. Are we going to have this over-reaction every time?!?
Too bad I don't have kids and I'm too scared to go through the same thing as this guy. I'd really like to make a test run of this with a whole class of kids (grade 1 or 2), and ask them in their art class to draw someone in their family with a toy gun.
Did anyone really talk and listen to what the child had to say???
I'm assuming the father is interpreting what his daughter told him and sounds like the only one who talked to the child.
I mean a child could draw anything. She could draw her brother with a gun, because he got a new cap gun for Christmas. Are we going to have this over-reaction every time?!?
Too bad I don't have kids and I'm too scared to go through the same thing as this guy. I'd really like to make a test run of this with a whole class of kids (grade 1 or 2), and ask them in their art class to draw someone in their family with a toy gun.
The little girl is extremely young. What would really horrify me is her not having a vivid imagination. It goes with the turf. And you hit the nail on the head they did not talk to the child.
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