The government wants to spy on people over the net.

CTV.ca | Tories seek greater access to web activity (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090618/tories_internet_090618/20090618?hub=TopStories)

Yeah right go away and worry about the economy thanks. I can understand if you want to monitor people who have been charged with a criminal offense, but don't lump us all together with a minority of people in the interest of security.

Long live Big Brother ..................... for we have nothing to fear but fear itself ................ until some of this info falls into the wrong hands. We shall see.

Forget about nails in the coffin... the conservatives are welding in shut.

Sha na na na... sha na na na... hey ey ey..... goodbye...

True, Mr. Mayor ................ but who is inside the coffin? "Give me Liberty, or give me death."

Neo conservatism at it's peak!

Yet another reason to seek another way of getting internet access *cough* *cough*

Why stop there? Just abolish search warrants all together.

The blind followers will cry, 'If you have nothing to hide you have no need to worry!'

We are such fools letting this happen all around us.

Sounds like a Harper Idea...



But why stop there, why not install video cameras in people's homes?

Absolutely incredible that such an idea would even be considered. I can only hope this dies a quick death...otherwise I might as well move to Albania or North Korea.

we all know this has a snowballs chance in hell, i bet Microsoft will figure out the issues with their software before this gets passed..

And just cuse i lol'd hard.

Forget about nails in the coffin... the conservatives are welding in shut.

Sha na na na... sha na na na... hey ey ey..... goodbye...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9686/lolwutfrm.jpg

*snicker*

The police need to take on the crooks and should have Carte Blanche to save us all. First the child porn freaks for I have no interest in child porn, then the money laundering drug smuggling creeps for I have no money no interest in recreational drugs and I'm not a creep.

Then the smut merchants and the peer to peer downloaders for I have no interest in smut and I buy my music and videos at the iTunes music store.

Then go after the religious zealots and the free thinkers goodness knows what they're up to, for I'm moderate in my religiosity and I haven't had an original thought in eons why should I worry where the police look.

The police should be able to come in the middle the night and disappear the evil doers so that we may have a freer and opener society.

No paper work no judges. Just knock and take what they want. Well except for our guns. We need our loaded guns to feel safe.

The police need to take on the crooks and should have Carte Blanche to save us all. First the child porn freaks for I have no interest in child porn, then the money laundering drug smuggling creeps for I have no money no interest in recreational drugs and I'm not a creep.

Then the smut merchants and the peer to peer downloaders for I have no interest in smut and I buy my music and videos at the iTunes music store.

Then go after the religious zealots and the free thinkers goodness knows what they're up to, for I'm moderate in my religiosity and I haven't had an original thought in eons why should I worry where the police look.

The police should be able to come in the middle the night and disappear the evil doers so that we may have a freer and opener society.

No paper work no judges. Just knock and take what they want. Well except for our guns. We need our loaded guns to feel safe.

Sounds like a Harper Idea...



But why stop there, why not install video cameras in people's homes?

In motherland, TV watches you. :yikes:

This push is clearly a mistake. Get the bad guys yes but you should always have to demonstrate just cause and obtain a search warrant. Seems like this was not thought through and to introduce this just before an inevitable late fall or early winter election is just pure folly on the Conservatives part.

It may play well to the converted but certainly won't gain them any votes in the east.

This is one of the dumbest laws possible. If the police want records, they simply have to go to a judge and obtain a Queens Writ Of Assistance, and if their case is weak, then maybe they should get down to doing some more work.

Mostly this bill exists only to shove out all of the smaller ISPs, which would be forced to invest millions into new equipment, dishing over more customers to the big ISPs like Bell, and giving consumers less (or no) choice. It's all about money.

And even if this proposed law was to allow police to catch more criminals - what difference would it make, since the courts would simply let the criminals go anyways. It's an exercise in empire building that serves no purpose other than to hamper legitimate uses on the Internet, to have large bureaucrasies filled with Big Brotherism (and we all know what will happen when you get a bunch of people that are hired to check out the Internet...)

I notice that "kiddie porn" is a term that police often throw into the mix, in order to provoke outrage. Sure, sometimes criminals may have kiddie porn, but it is bandied around by the law enforcement agencies in order to score more cahs, or to grow some empire. It just seems to me that there are lots of "criminals" who, upon police investigation of their computers, just happens to find "kiddie porn" - like hard core fundamentalists who have a dislike of decadent western ways - and who ironically, always have "kiddie porn" on their machines according to police. I just think that this kind of stuff is too often planted just to provoke some kind of outrage - or at least it looks suspicious. I just think that some hard core Taliban who wants nothing more than to fight against "the West" in some dirty cave in Afghanistan is probably not operating some massive torrent site catering to "kiddie porn". I would imagine such a system to have things like how to build an AK-47 with a CNC turning center, or how to make bombs, or links to Travelocity to get in on the seat sales to Peshawar...

If "kiddie porn" is an actual crime, and there are people who are into it - then the police should have no problem convincing a judge of the validity of the case and obtaining a proper warrant. Otherwise, it just looks like something they drop into the argument in order to tap into outrage and gain support for their little empire building schemes.

I think it's a lot like AbScam, where one will find all kinds of people who will become criminal if you bribe them with enough money, or set the bar too low.

As for the "get tough on crime" deal - none of this is getting tough on crime, it's just lowering the bar on crime, to make fake cases that won't hold up in the court - while doing nothing to impose punishments against the criminals, like the death penalty for filth like Bernardo that butchered people, or like a big sentence against scumbag CEOs that cash in large while leaving their employees without pension or severance.

In other words, people don't want more crimes on the books - they want the current crimes to carry real penalties, and for charges to be heard in court in a timely manner, as well as not allowing fake, fabricated police "evidence" that is often used to put innocent people in jail for crimes they did not commit.

The police need to take on the crooks and should have Carte Blanche to save us all.

Maybe they can go out and beat the beejesus out of black people that happen to get off the bus, even though they were actually looking for a white dude; or so their officers can rape their coworkers without fear of any reprisals.

The police should be able to come in the middle the night and disappear the evil doers so that we may have a freer and opener society. No paper work no judges. Just knock and take what they want. Well except for our guns. We need our loaded guns to feel safe.

It sounds like a form of government that was experimented with at one time - which served to reduce crime among the population and make it a government monopoly, of which they were efficient and over the top when it came to perpetrating crimes.

I wonder how long it will be before the police are monitoring Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition...

I wonder how long it will be before the police are monitoring journalists' e-mail?

I wonder how long it will be before the police are monitoring your local protest group?

I wonder how soon it will be before the entertainment companies are monitoring everyone?

I wonder how long it will be before they are monitoring me?

(Microsoft today announced a lawsuit against some members of the ehMac forum for dissing their products, police monitoring of e-mails and their forum indicate that users ABC, DEF... are to be charged... :D)

The "if you're not a criminal then you have nothing to hide, so why worry?" reasoning gets put out there a lot. I wonder how many of them would like all public washrooms to be transparent and open air, of course to prevent all the drug activities that might go on in there. I mean, if you're just going in there to relieve yourself, why would you care if everyone sees, it's natural after all! Just because people want privacy doesn't mean that they're plotting against the state.

I wonder how long it will be before the police are monitoring Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition...

I wonder how long it will be before the police are monitoring journalists' e-mail?

I wonder how long it will be before the police are monitoring your local protest group?

I wonder how soon it will be before the entertainment companies are monitoring everyone?

I wonder how long it will be before they are monitoring me?

(Microsoft today announced a lawsuit against some members of the ehMac forum for dissing their products, police monitoring of e-mails and their forum indicate that users ABC, DEF... are to be charged... :D)

I wonder why you assume some of this isn't already happening?

The "if you're not a criminal then you have nothing to hide, so why worry?" reasoning gets put out there a lot. I wonder how many of them would like all public washrooms to be transparent and open air, of course to prevent all the drug activities that might go on in there.

With out convoluted set of laws - pretty much everyone could be arrested for breaking some arcane law from some past century. Like the Red Flag Laws - have they actually been repealed, or is everyone who drives a car in jeopardy of being charged for driving through the city without someone in front of the car waving a red flag so as not to scare the horses away?

In Hamilton, the drug dealers don't bother with trying to find washrooms to do their deals in - they just do it in the Food Basics parking lot, right across the street from the Jail (you see, even the drug dealers are thinking green by cutting the commute down.)

Yeah, this is already happening. Not sure if any of you are aware of DPI or deep packet inspection, is already being used extensively and the cross country giants like Shaw and Bell have admitted to using it for "traffic allocation purposes." But it's just a great excuse to be able to watch, at any given time exactly what we are downloading into our computers.

Then there was an article in the paper not to long ago about ad agencies that are snooping blogs and social networking sites to find out what people are saying, linking to and interested in. The worst however is that these adverting companies are trying to work with ISPs and their DPI to sell you exactly what you look at. No middle man, no pop up blocker, they are watching your movements directly. This is already happening in the states and there are talks of it coming up here, although we have slightly better privacy laws.
Anyone who has seen my other posts on the subject of internet anonymity knows that this sort of stuff is very important to me. The only way to actively fight it right now, is to get your internet connection through an encrypted proxy, which Tor/ (http://www.torproject.org/) does quiet nicely.
It's free an open source. Long live the information age.