Finally Dennis Kucinich has stepped up to the plate and filed 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush. This happened yesterday afternoon.

Joseph A. Palermo: Dennis Kucinich Makes History Again - Impeach Bush! - Politics on The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/dennis-kucinich-makes-his_b_106193.html)

Not surprisingly neither Google or Yahoo news feeds even carried carried it.

Of course Homeland Security has enough dirt on enough members of congress that we can be sure it will not go anywhere. That was of course the entire reason Homeland Security came into existence, hence the American Gestapo nickname.

However at least some of King Georges criminal offenses are now an indelible part of the congressional record.

Good for Dennis. That little guy has really big 6411$

Better late than never?

Oh well, we can always hope that something will happen.




and then those hopes get completely crushed when HS steps in....

Oh well, we can always hope that something will happen.

Nothing will.

Too many Americans want to impeach Bush for their cheap thrills. No President was ever impeached because of war; otherwise Madison would have been impeached for loosing the invasion of Canada.

Look at all of the effort they put into the impeachment of Clinton - though they never carried it through to the logical conclusion. And really, if Nixon was not impeachable (because he resigned), they will really have nothing of note on Bush. I think the people around Bush are slimier, slime balls like Cheney and Rove come to mind, but really, there is an entire mob of glad handers in the Bush Posse: the people who rigged the election, the influence peddlers, his special deals cut with terrorists like Osama... Really, Bush was in power so that they could loot the country then sell it out - and no President had ever been impeached for such acts of malfeasance.

Actually the articles of impeachment in this case are far more serious than Clinton. More serious than Nixon and since they involve a president committing what can only be called treason are even more serious than Madison's crimes.

That said; I am sure the Homeland Gestapo has fulfilled its mandate and has enough dirt on most of the members of the House and Senate to block what should otherwise be a slam dunk. :eek: beejacon

This will never happen. Did the U.S. impeach Roosevelt for letting Pearl Harbor occur? Bill Clinton for bombing a Sudan aspirin factory to distract the world from his troubles with Monica Lewinsky? The Dems don't have the guts to go through with it, because they don't want the same treatment themselves when it's their turn to pillage and loot the treasury.

Too little, too late.

They should have filed this action after it was discovered that their reasons for the Iraq invasion was a sham.

I will give the US another 20 years.

I will give the US another 20 years.

And then?

Better late than never?

Too late for thousands of Americans and tens of thousands in Iraq.

Too late for thousands of Americans and tens of thousands in Iraq.

Agreed. Whatever the US is up to this time around, a lot of blood and hard-earned American tax dollars are paying for it. The WWs were noble and just causes; I don't know what to call this. Who is the real enemy in this "War on Terror"?

BBC NEWS | Middle East | BBC uncovers lost Iraq billions (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7444083.stm)

as was said during Watergate - "follow the money".

But that case didn't end in an impeachment (I'm tempted to say "either", but technically it is too early to tell - realistically however it may not be, precedent being what it is.)

I believe the most Mr. Kucinich is hoping to accomplish is to prevent an instant replay in Iran. Some of the later articles revolve around the deliberately misleading intelligence the whitehouse thugs are currently using to promote the bombing of Iran.

If he accomplishes that much I will say it was a job very well done.

I believe the most Mr. Kucinich is hoping to accomplish is to prevent an instant replay in Iran. Some of the later articles revolve around the deliberately misleading intelligence the whitehouse thugs are currently using to promote the bombing of Iran.

If he accomplishes that much I will say it was a job very well done.

You need not worry about Bush doing it. According to Mofaz, Israel will drop the bombs themselves. I can hardly blame them for wanting to knock out Ahmadinejad's nuclear program. He's promised to wipe them off the face of the earth numerous times. He needs his nukes to do that.

Cheers
MacGuiver

You need not worry about Bush doing it. According to Mofaz, Israel will drop the bombs themselves. I can hardly blame them for wanting to knock out Ahmadinejad's nuclear program. He's promised to wipe them off the face of the earth numerous times. He needs his nukes to do that.

Cheers
MacGuiver

Trouble is the intelligence they are quoting as proof of Iran's nuclear program actually came to the conclusion that the program has been abandoned. One of the articles of impeachment.

Repeat after me. If Bush said it and his lips were moving you can be reasonably sure it was a lie.

Repeat after me. If Bush said it and his lips were moving you can be reasonably sure it was a lie.

Agreed, but I don't see why his lips need to be moving. Even if his lips AREN'T moving (courtesy of voice-throwing by Darth Cheney), it was still a lie.

You need not worry about Bush doing it. According to Mofaz, Israel will drop the bombs themselves. I can hardly blame them for wanting to knock out Ahmadinejad's nuclear program. He's promised to wipe them off the face of the earth numerous times. He needs his nukes to do that.

Cheers
MacGuiver

Even though Ahmadinejad is somewhat bellicose, although relative to the Bush regime's "bring it on" style of macho international pronouncements he's rather mild, the "wipe out Israel" statements never happened. They were a purposeful mistranslation that has been incorrectly repeated ever since. Link (http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/).

Secondly Ahmadinejad is not the real power in Iran, the religious leadership is. They have taken every opportunity since 9-11 to open up a path of dialogue with the US and that door has been ignored and slammed shut by Bush and company. Ahmadinejad's election, replacing the prior relative moderates in the political realm is absolutely the result of US sabre rattling making the moderates look weak and ineffectual. If the more radical element is gaining power within Iran it is because of US threats to their sovereignty. And having radicals gaining influence within Iran is exactly the game plan that the Neocon hawks want, to provide the fear excuse for an attack.

Iran does not want war, but no doubt they are preparing to defend themselves and consolidate their own power base in the region. If I were them I would be trying to develop nuclear weapons also. They have US maniacs who intend to turn their prosperous and peaceful country into Iraq the sequel. They have no intention of becoming a US colony again as they were under the Shah and I certainly can't blame them for thinking that way. It would be the height of stupidity for the US to enter into a conflict with them.

Well said GA.

As for the impeachment, of course I'll say "about bloody time" but the real question is not before the people of the United States, who are way too distracted to see this through, but before the people of the rest of the civilised world:

Do they have the guts to bring Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice (among others) up on war crimes charges?

Interesting that there still has not been one peep in the mainstream media. This seems a lot more newsworthy than some of the canned ç®49 they are pushing.

Interesting that there still has not been one peep in the mainstream media. This seems a lot more newsworthy than some of the canned ç®49 they are pushing.


The news outlets ARE reporting it, but not trumpeting the story. Because the Democrats were fully complicit in the invasion, impeaching Bush holds them up to the same scrutiny. I suspect both parties are asking their various news outlet allies to keep this one off the front page.

I will give the US another 20 years.
With the fact that they use a quarter of the world's resources, their love of the 9MPG gas guzzling V-8 engine that Henry Ford devised, their spiraling crime rate where 1% of the population is serving time in jail right now, and all the kids have to be driven to their special soccer games and who now suffer from "stress" because of the American "lifestyle" - I'd say 20 years is about on the nose. The whole rotten system should fall apart with one swift kick.

As for the Presidency, now that people look fondly back at the Reagan Administration as something that was great - it's pretty much the end - pigs will soon sprout wings and take to the skies. By then, King Harpo may be deposed, but then again, maybe not.

I'd say 20 years is about on the nose. The whole rotten system should fall apart with one swift kick.

...and then?

...and then?

When any rotten country falls apart, the people leave and land on the doorstep of their closest neighbour as refugees. We can only hope that most of them enjoy a warm climate as opposed to a decent place to live.

Margaret

I know a lot of you guys hate the the US with a passion and blame them for just about everything by default but 90% of your criticisms would equally apply to your own country.
As for hoarding resources, Canadians are not exactly living like the Amish.

Cheers
MacGuiver

The news outlets ARE reporting it, but not trumpeting the story. Because the Democrats were fully complicit in the invasion, impeaching Bush holds them up to the same scrutiny. I suspect both parties are asking their various news outlet allies to keep this one off the front page.

Of course the democrats new he was lying. That is why this will be referred to a committee where it will die.

Over 4000 dead US soldiers, somewhere between 250,000 and 1,000,000 dead Iraqis, oil at $150 per barrel and congress will shove it under the carpet and the mainstream media are attempting to cover their own rumps by lifting the edge of the rug.

...and then?
The whole place will rapidly turn into Detroit, or for that matter, Birmingham...

When any rotten country falls apart, the people leave and land on the doorstep of their closest neighbour as refugees. We can only hope that most of them enjoy a warm climate as opposed to a decent place to live.

Margaret
That would be quite a change - Americans swimming across the Rio Grande to find a better living - in fact, it would be the very same work that they lost five years ago when their plant packed up and moved to Mexico.

Not all American's would leave, but I could see the whole Fort Apache The Bronx thing happening.

I don't think it would fall apart all at once, but decay would set in, much like decay set in after the collapse of the Roman Imperium. Roads would cease to be maintained and long distance travel would become expensive and basically die out. Life would become more localized with local leaders taking over because the central government can not extend control in any meaningful way. If people can not communicate outside of their local areas, dialects will diverge, and in the matter of a few hundred years, a series of languages based on English and infused to varying degrees by Spanish will emerge. It is all so Edward Gibbons...

When any rotten country falls apart, the people leave and land on the doorstep of their closest neighbour as refugees. We can only hope that most of them enjoy a warm climate as opposed to a decent place to live.

Margaret

Actually, this is a capital idea the US should have thought of long ago: annex Mexico.

(some northern Mexicans would argue that this has already happened at least once!)

Actually, this is a capital idea the US should have thought of long ago: annex Mexico.

(some northern Mexicans would argue that this has already happened at least once!)
That was a scheme that the US had long considered, along side the invasion of Canada. The US-Mexico border has changed a number of times, whether through war, annexation, or cash settlements like the Gadsen Purchase. The US also had an active plan to invade and colonize Veracruz. About a quarter of the contigiuous USA was originally a part of Mexico, while everything south of the Carolinas was either ceeded to the British or sold to the US (ie. Florida).

The offical US war plan for the invasion of Canada was only officially shelved as late as 1922 (and sealed under the terms of the little known "Treaty Of Albany" which was to see to the formation of "The Dual Continental Alliance", and later affirmed by the protocols of the Quebec Agreement).