Just wondering if, for those user's still using OS 9 of which there are still many, will Panther and it's apparent improvements be enough to get you to finally switch to X?

Can't speak about Panther Professionally, yet...

Few clients are leaving Quark 4.11 anytime soon...

But I am excited to put Panther in at home... OS X 10.1.5 bothered me too much and nothing in Jag convinced me it was better... Panther lookes like a maturing product and I am looking forward again...

I hope the professional graphics industry is better served... or inticed to come forward...

I thought Jaguar 10.2 convinced people to switch. ;) Panther will most definitely be worth the upgrade, and now is definitely the time to switch if you haven't already.

Panther will pull a lot of users over - especially in combo with the G5.
Quark is an issue but the G5 runs OS9 about as fast as an intermediate G4 and Quark is not processor sensitive.
We have several graphic clients living with Quark in Classic.

The feature set, improved speed and navigation will be a huge draw.
With the exception of the "put away" Command I'm not missing much from 9 in Panther and there are clear benefits in work flow.
Both the G5 and Panther put the Mac platform a huge step up after a long wait. :cool:

I would switch to Panther but my machine isn't enough to support OSX. We put an earlier version of OSX on our G-4 at work and with switching back and forth between 9 and X, it seems incredibly slow.

So I want to make sure I have a decent machine with enough ram before I make the switch. It'll probably happen once I save up enough for a new Mac.

Hopefully sometime before I'm 90! :confused:

Actually according to beta testers of Panther it increases performance on older hardware quite dramatically.

Panther doesn't even support really old hardware - the beige G3s aren't supported, for example. The criterion is whether or not the Mac was originally equipped with USB ports - upgrade cards don't cut it.

Cheers :-> Bill

Problem is Blue & White G3 are now considered to oldest surviving Macs..... Not a suprise, but bad news to those of us with Beiges and older Power Macs...

In felt totally burned by Apple when I bought 10.0. What a pile of cr@p; they sold that OS as if it was useable but really it was still a beta. Glad the HUGE improvement to get to 10.1 was free.

10.1 was "the one" for me, BUT I didn't think it was ready for the masses. I only recommend OS X to my friends and colleagues when Jaguar came out, I felt Jag was really ready.

I'll probably break down and get Panther because of some goodie I don't really need (e.g. Expose) but I can't say there is anything in Panther that compels me the way Jaguar did coming from 10.1. Perhaps I'll feel diferently once I give it a try.

Panther will pull a lot of users over - especially in combo with the G5. hmm, so roughly 3 grand for the privelge of using OS X?
especially for Quark users that don't tax the CPU that much?
sounds kinda' expensive to me and my clients.
OS 9 is not dead by a long shot

Its a little laughable that some users would still be supporting OS9 like it is the BOMB!!!!!

The advantages of OSX are over the top, really fantastically stable and reliable.

The fact that some may not want to buy a new system is understandable, but hey, that is life in the computer industry.

If your machine is not able to support OSX then its probably time you got a new machine anyway.

Parousia.

Professionally... Why would I go through the expense of new Macs and new OS, Font Management, etc.... when 95% of my income is based in an application that has been reliable for years and runs well on any powermac with less than 100meg of Ram....

More power is good, Bigger Faster is better...

But if it can only run my core Application in a PITA emulation mode... Hmmmm...

Quark 6 is unproven, and requires a heafty system jump... Indsign2 has its good points, but none of our client want to use it...Quark 4.11 is still the king...

It is aging and the writting is on the walls... but it ain't dead yet...

Just cause you love Jaguar, doesn't mean everyone else does...

Has anybody tested a development copy of panther on an ibook? I would be interested to hear if there is an optimization for the lowly G3. If not I will probably just wait until I can afford a new emac with an included copy.

OS 9 bit the big one. I'm so glad to be finally rid of it. I even ran Photoshop and Illustrator in Classic mode for a year just so I wouldn't have to go back in there. Now that all of my software will run natively in Jaguar I don't need 9 anymore. I think I would quit the graphics industry if I still had to use 9. Constant aggravation....Windows 98 was better than 9....

Has anybody tested a development copy of panther on an ibook? I would be interested to hear if there is an optimization for the lowly G3Panther is apparently supposed to make G3 run OS X even faster, and improve hardware performance on all fronts. No doubt your iBook will run even faster with Panther on there. I myself am expecting signicificant improvements on my iMac DV 400.

I've been running PANTHER for 2 days now on my 1.6 GHz G5 (don't ask how) and I really like the new subtle to major interface changes Apple has made. Everyone will love Expose and side bar feature, know they're my favorites. OS X PANTHER boots much quicker on my G5 and shuts down quicker compared to Jaguar. Apps lauch faster as well. As far as system performance I can't answer that right now. Estetically though it is a nice step forward. I hope someone will be making a PCI sound card to fit in the new PCI slots in my G5 :mad: . I hate always being ahead of the 3rd party vendors. I already signed up for my proper copy of PANTHER in case you are all wondering. In the mean time I will continue to live on the sly. :D

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Panther doesn't even support really old hardware - the beige G3s aren't supported, for example. The criterion is whether or not the Mac was originally equipped with USB ports - upgrade cards don't cut it.
Odd, I've heard rumours floating around that certain types of PCI USB cards (that use the same chipset as some of the earlier built in USB ports) are read by the OS to be identical to actually having built in USB.

That, and I suspect that the makers of XPostFacto will find away around the limitation, even if the PCI card rumour proves to be false..

I for one will be crossing my finger they find away around it. I can't wait to get Panther on my beloved 7600. :cool:

JAMG - Check out the new Quark 6.0

It can save in legacy formats!

You can work in Panther, but save files in Quark 4.
That was just a bit of the buzz from Quark users at todays Driven by Design, where Quark presented 6.0

Although I will be getting my hands on Panther in a hot minute, may wait around to install it. I get funny feelings about 1st revs of OSes. I just don't want to end up like Roy (of Sigfried & Roy), with this Panther misbehaving and getting me @ the throat! :eek: We'll see...

H!

"Check out the new Quark 6.0
It can save in legacy formats!"

That's news to me... Everything I've read says that Quark 6 will only save down to Quark 5.... You need Quark 5 to save to Quark 4....

But thats not really the point.... Back saving through various versions of OS's and application versions is asking for trouble.... Quark 4.11 is installed and stable... OS9 is installed and stable... People who complain that it isn't usually don't know it very well.. {my experience, no offence intended}...

The vast majority of clients are OS 9, few are even testing the waters in X...

I am not challenging your use of OS X, but you are not bringing OS X based jobs to our company... neither are very many others {Bringing OS x based work}... We support all major DTP apps, from the low end Word or Ms Publisher to Quark 5 and ID2 and just about everything inbetween....

And 95 - 98% of our outside work comes from Quark 4.11 on Mac OS9 or Windows...

Indesign2 is negligable and after Quark 5, few client are rushing to Quark 6...

But we have to be ready when they do... so G5's are on order, Panther, Quark 6 and the Adobe Design suite with CS upgrades in November... as well as new Rips and a PDF workflow... Some of this is long overdue...

I played with 10.1.5 and didn't like it. I avoided Jag all together with no consequences to my business... Panther intrigues me, personally, but time will tell if it makes an impact on my business...

Indesign 1, 1.5 and 2 were expenses in time and money with no return on investment as no clients uses it, but we are ready if they do...

Unfortunatly there is more growth business coming from clients with MS Publisher... <groan>

I'm just on a supposed GM and it just got faster if that's possible. :eek:
As to first revision - what they've got right over Jag is worth any possible hiccups. Unless it's a totally disabling situation which is unlikely.
This OS is as solid as the G5.
Apple on a roll....you bet :cool:
Do I think it will tempt graphics uses over - a bit maybe.
Will it tempt others who like me have not liked Jag- OH YEAH! :cool:

Informed speculation, but there is no reason for it to be incompatbible unless it was engineered to be incompatible, and in the past Apple has not usually gone to the effort, with a few noteworthy exceptions.

I don't have a mac setup at the moment, I need the space for 3 extra PC's at the moment. But apprently I am getting a copy on the 19th.

I will try it on a beige when I get the chance,

Won't run on a beige.
Not designed for around earlier boxes.
Designed to do a lot quickly finally.
I switched several times a day between 9 and Jag on Cubes in the two offices and Jag was frustrating.
I now switch several times day between Panther and Jag.
I STILL find Jag frustrating.
Panther is fabulous in contrast.
The GM got even faster - a couple of times this evening windows switched so fast I did not register it - instant. Spooky speed. :eek:

That little window test here was real indication of the "lag" in X against 9.
With 9 not being buggered with it's stable and works. Panther offers enough speed and advantages to lure people. I got bitten real bad. :D
Sharp teeth in this black cat.

i'll have to play "wait and see" until i actually give panther a whirl

i should'a been from missouri

"Informed speculation, "


Well.. that certainly voids my daily experience... You are right... I am just avoiding Jaguar because I am nuts...

Me and most of the ad agencies and .... ah.. ferget it...

People who were going to switch to Mac OS X have already done it. full stop, end of sentence, end of discussion.

Those who remain on Mac OS 9, remain for reasons not likely to ever be addressed in Mac OS X.

As for Panther and Beige G3's... unless Apple has done something dirty - there is no reason Panther will not run on a beige G3. From a logic standpoint the Beige G3 and Blue G3 are functionally identical. Blue G3's use the "Opti Firelink" USB controller and can not tell a soldered down one from one on a PCI card.

And, while running Mac OS X, all macs are technically "New World" because the old Toolbox ROM is disabled on boot.

I disagree - I hadn't switched for one and I have other clients in the same situation and I know their concerns and know Panther will tempt them over.
Everything up to Panther did not address many issues most important speed and navigation- Panther does both and goes far beyond.

Are you running Panther Trev or just speculating??
;)