Mar 11th, 2003, 11:10 PM
Why is there such a thing as fruit on the bottom yogurt??
First of all, they never give you enough of the stuff on the bottom so the yogurt always ends up tasting bland.
Second of all, if the point was to give you the option of having fruit or not having fruit, then isn't that why you buy just plain yogurt?
The things you think about (and stall with) when you're trying to finish a paper that just won't end. :( *sniff*
Mar 11th, 2003, 11:12 PM
I would explain it to you but I would probably get another "whatever"
So I'll just avoid answering the question and the sarcasm.
Mar 11th, 2003, 11:28 PM
Mar 11th, 2003, 11:34 PM
Usually the yogurt with the fruit on the bottom has fewer added ingredients, like sugars, starches and a lot of other useless crap.
Most yogurts are puddings and not actual yogurt :rolleyes: Consumers buy it because they think it's healthy, but never read the ingredients.
Mar 11th, 2003, 11:36 PM
so if that's the case why don't they just say..."hey!..we're better for you! AND we stir it for you too!" :rolleyes:
Mar 11th, 2003, 11:37 PM
you are very close to the answer and some good thought on that answer
you are very correct about the misperception of yougurt
Mar 12th, 2003, 01:04 AM
If I'm not mistaken, I recall it having to do with something along the lines of increasing the shelf life when not mixed.
As Jordan touched on as well...
Aspartame, Gelatin, and Dye No.7 on the Bottom would be a mouthful ;)
Mar 12th, 2003, 01:38 AM
hhmmm...now THAT makes sense thirdeye...
Mar 12th, 2003, 02:40 AM
good answer, but still an important piece missing.
Mar 12th, 2003, 02:55 AM
Are you holding out on us macspectrum?!
Do you know something that we don't? tongue.gif
Mar 12th, 2003, 02:56 AM
ok macspectrum....please.....enlighten us...what is this missing piece.
Mar 12th, 2003, 06:16 AM
There is actually a physics principle that is seen in yogurt, something called "tensile strength" (keep in mind that this is all second hand info). When you open up a container of unstirred yogurt, it is perfectly flat. When the surface is distubed this flatness is also ruined and cannot be naturally disturbed. This helps keep freshness and less leakage is seen. As well, fruit on the bottom, first introduced by Dannon (not to be mistaken with Danone) Yogurts back in the 70s, is also more economical to produce rather than stirred yogurt. This was passed on to me by someone who worked in the yogurt business producing Dannon yogurts.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, strawberries............. smile.gif
Mar 12th, 2003, 06:28 AM
If I may pitch in my two cents, the best yogurt is natural, flavour-free yogurt, with home-made berry jam stirred in. *pats stomach and licks lips*
Excuse me, I'm going to go eat now. :D *looks at watch* Make that sleep, not eat.
Mar 12th, 2003, 07:53 AM
Kuni, years ago, when I was hitch hiking around Europe, I was in a small town in northern Greece. I experienced goat's milk yogurt for the first time. Now, I was never a yogurt eater back home, but I did not want to insult the person that invited me to her home, so I tried it with the thought that "what doesn't kill me will only make me stronger". Well, the first taste was a jolt, similar to that first taste of real south Georgia moonshine. Still, after a short while, I actually liked what I was eating. This was homemade yogurt from a free-range goat.
used to be jwoodget
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:18 AM
I thought Saddam Hussein invented fruit on the bottom yogurt as a way of hiding the fruits of his weapons of mass destruction program from the Kurds.
I like to stir things up myself. It's the only exercise I get....
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:24 AM
Don't give up your day job, jwoodget. You might try shopping at "Jokes R Us" for your humor. Actually, rereading your post, that's not too bad. It's a dry sort of humor, similar to Bombay Gin.
used to be jwoodget
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:40 AM
Am just trying to aspire to the dizzying heights recently achieved by macspectrum.
That said, it's hard to keep up with the stream of black comedy currently issuing from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:55 AM
Dr. G. typed on his Dell:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> ...is also more economical to produce rather than stirred yogurt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dr. G. gets is awarded 2 points.
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:57 AM
used to be jwoodget typed:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Am just trying to aspire to the dizzying heights recently achieved by macspectrum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's oh so lonely at the top :D
(not going for the cheap joke re: yogurt on top and fruit on bottom - too much Freudian analysis necessary)
Mar 12th, 2003, 12:02 PM
Two whole points!!!!!!!!!!! Great. Now, if I can add this to my AirMiles or Aeroplan account, I can fly from St.John's to ???? "My bags are packed...I'm ready to go...."
Macspectrum, it's lonely at the top because you are on the wrong mountain. Mt.Woz is that way --> :D
Mar 12th, 2003, 12:16 PM
I assume "Mt. Wozniak"?
He is a good Ukrainian boy like me so we could discuss borscht and perogies to our hearts' content.
Mar 12th, 2003, 12:17 PM
re: "Two whole points!!!!!!!!!!!"
Dr. G., on the 'net I usually only award 1/2 or full point.
For true insight I do award 2 points.
Higher scores have never been recorded, yet.
Mar 12th, 2003, 12:28 PM
Macspectrum, I am touched. Here I thought that you were "sniping" at me (in a virtual sense.........I hope that you have allowed your membership in the National Rifle Association expire) for the past month or so. Now, I realize that you are a generous, understanding, compassionate and benevolent person. In Yiddish (is it a banned language?) you would be called "a mensch". Ask someone who speaks Yiddish even a bit as to the meaning of this word and you will see that I am sincere. As they say in Texas, "Mercy bowchamps".
Mar 12th, 2003, 12:31 PM
Macspectrum, yes, Mt.Woz was named after the other Steve. Personally, I dislike borscht and love perogies. So that I don't continue to misspell the name of the city and insult the people living in the Republic of the Ukraine, what is the correct way to now spell "Kiev" (which is where my grandparents came from originally)?
(( p g ))
Mar 12th, 2003, 03:05 PM
I take that you've never tried Liberty yogurt? I think it might just be a Montreal-Ottawa thing, but this stuff is the flat-out best yogurt money can buy. And given its 8% fat content (it has the consistency of pure cream), it's something in which you only indulge about once a year. But what an indulgence!
Come to think of it, all the best treats that come from Montreal are rather bad for you: smoked-meat sandwiches from Schwartz's; cheesecake from Dunn's; bagels from La Maison du Bagel...
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pamela:
Why is there such a thing as fruit on the bottom yogurt??
Mar 12th, 2003, 03:13 PM
Patrick G., I have just experienced a Pavlovian response at your mentioning of Schwartz's deli. Having grown up Jewish in a Jewish neighborhood, a deli was something that was quite common in my neighborhood. Still, outside of Ben's deli in my old neighborhood (Forest Hills in Queens, NY), Schwartz's has the best Jewish deli fare in the world, at least in my humble opinion.
Mar 12th, 2003, 07:30 PM
If you dislike borschcht, then you haven't had good borshcht. IMHO
The country is called; Ukraine.
Not "the Ukraine" or "the Republic of the Ukraine", just "Ukraine"
So in your case we could say; "Dr. G.'s grandparents came from Ukraine."
Although CBS sunday morning still has the spelling of Kiev, for which they recieved a letter from me, the spelling is still the Soviet version.
Ukrainians in the diaspora are now trying to remove one of the last remnants of the former USSR by promoting the correct spelling as Kyiv.
Unfortuantely Ukrainians in Ukraine are saddled with huge economic hardships and the spelling of the capital city is not highest on their list of priorities. With the help of Ukrainians abroad, we hope to help our European bretheren in this edeavour.
Please note that the large western Ukrainina city of Lviv is spelled as such an not Lvov, unless of course you enjoy getting a punch in the nose.
If anyone for any reason has any other questons, please feel free to contact me off-thread via email, so as not to bore too many for too long on ehMac.
Thank you Dr. G., for the time for this PSA (public service announcement)
(( p g ))
Mar 12th, 2003, 08:10 PM
Not sure how Ukraine et al fits into this thread, but hey the topic was "yogurt" so I guess anything goes! Kidding aside, you make some great points about spelling. Here's another example to add to your list. The conventional English usage of "perogies" (or varenneki...if you're from Eastern Ukraine) is a mistaken double-pluralization. In fact, "perog" is singluar and "perogi" is plural (excuse the Russian-to-English spelling).
Mar 12th, 2003, 08:22 PM
Macspectrum, thank you for the clarification pertaining to Ukraine and the correct spelling of Kyiv. Shalom.
Mar 12th, 2003, 08:56 PM
Thank you for the compliement of labelling me a mensch.
I am familiair with the word. "good guy and perpetrator of good deeds" i don't know if you aren't stretching the meaning there a little bit, but i'll take what i can get.
The other Yiddish/Jewish phrase I know is ; "Tukhus azim tish."
Mar 12th, 2003, 09:00 PM
Varenniki is a Western Ukrainian word.
"perih" is one, "perohy" is plural - to use the Ukrainian translation.
Perohy or perogie are actually supposed to be the baked version of these delectable dumplings. The root of the word perih is "to bake"
Vareniky (varenik - singular, root word "varity" - to boil) are the boiled version commonly known throught delis and deli counters throughout North America.
You say hello, I say shalom. - that was for you Dr. G.
Mar 12th, 2003, 10:24 PM
Shalom, Macspectrum.......Peace be with you, Macspectrum.
Mar 12th, 2003, 10:27 PM
Dr. G., I hope the double menaing of my statement; "I say hello, you say shalom." was not lost on you.
'twas a macspectrum original. redface.gif
Could also be the title of a show we could take on the road in the Catskills (a.k.a Borscht Belt)
Whad'ya say doc?
Mar 12th, 2003, 10:40 PM
Macspectrum, when you wrote that "I hope the double menaing of my statement; "I say hello, you say shalom." was not lost on you.", I assume you meant "double meaning", as in "you say hello and I say goodbye".
" Could also be the title of a show we could take on the road in the Catskills (a.k.a Borscht Belt)", Now you're talking!!! I was a bus boy at a small hotel up in the Catskills for two weeks. Decided that telling the jokes was a better way to make a living than "shlepping" dirty dishes. Might we take Peter S. with us, in that he and I are a vaudevillian team? I could go by my middle name of Stephen, so we could be Peter, Macspectrum and Stephen -- PMS!!! Oy vey, we just lost the "yenta" crowd. :D
Mar 12th, 2003, 10:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patrick Gant:
I take that you've never tried Liberty yogurt? I think it might just be a Montreal-Ottawa thing, but this stuff is the flat-out best yogurt money can buy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You can't even start imagining how right you are, Patrick Gant. Liberty Yogurt, and especially the Mediterranean type, is the one single thing I miss most since I moved to the Yukon. There is not a day I don't think of 'indulging' in a whole 500 mL conntainer of that stuff.
All we can get here is the awfully-fluorescent-coloured Danone stuff, the 'the-name-says-it-all' no name crap or the absolutely unbearable 'Too-Good-To-Be-True-We-Had-To-Put-The-Most-Tasteless-Ingredients-Together-And-Hope-It-Would-Look-Like-Yogurt-And-
You-Will-Buy-That-Overpriced-Crap-'Cause-Quite-Frankly-Real-Yogurt -Can-Only-Be-Bad-For-Your-Health-Right?' type of shyte...
Of course, you can also shell ten bucks for a tablespoon of 'super-organic-i-spit-in-it-myself' yogurt, but then I wouldn't have any money left to buy the berries or jam or whatever I may want to throw in...
:( I definitely miss Montreal. And yogurt (among many other things, of course redface.gif ) might well be a reason for coming back someday... soon.
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:46 PM
and isn't "shalom" also "hello"?
if so, this is the real double meaning, you see?
Since you are both using your given names, I would use "Michael".
still PMS but Michael is such is also a nice Jewish name as are Stephen and Peter.
Michael is the name of an angel, after all
For the Ukrainian crowd in the Catskills, Peter, Stephen and Michael are nice Ukrainian names too.
We could swing both ways.... well, you know what I mean.
Two of us could stand by and support the other depending on whose territory we were in.
Gotta give the people what they want.
Book the bus ! Call my agent !! We got a tour !! Make some coffee and fire up the old Smith-Corona typewriter !!
The laughed, they loved, they lost.
Follow the trials and tribulations of these 3 troubadors as they journey around the countryside looking for their next 'gig' and plate of kreplach/perohy.
We could also compare our ethnic foods and claim each was his or her own.
eg. "What do you mean kosher dills? I never knew pickles were supposed to even have vinegar in them!" (cue big laugh)
We could debate the usage of "Oy(e) and Nu"
So many possibilities. Like a lattice work of frost on a window pane.
We each then break into a ballad of our choosing lamenting the strife of our peoples.
Argue about blintzes vs crepes.
Does the jam go on the inside or the outside? vanilla in the batter or not?
I haven't even started to tap the vat of ideas.
MSP - menschs stay put
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macspectrum:
Varenniki is a Western Ukrainian word.
"perih" is one, "perohy" is plural - to use the Ukrainian translation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Interesting; Doukhabors refer to them as "voreniki" and "pyrahi" -- almost identical to the Ukrainian words you gave. I assume that the Doukhabors must originally be from an area of Russia near western Ukraine, then...?
If so, then I salute you, neighbour! *prepares a toast* ^_~
Mar 13th, 2003, 06:16 AM
Macspectrum, the Menschmobile is all ready to go and we are headed west to pick up both you and Peter. We'll make the round of the Catskills just in time for Passover. You and Peter might have to partake in a sedar, but you will find the food quite good, so long as you like matzoh. We shall see.
Next stop, Grosinger's!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Mar 14th, 2003, 06:01 PM
"... interesting; Doukhabors[sic] refer to them as "voreniki" and "pyrahi" -- almost identical to the Ukrainian words you gave. I assume that the Doukhabors must originally be from an area of Russia near western Ukraine, then...? ..."
They're ethnic Russians, and pacifists. They were persecuted by the Tzar for their refusal to enlist in various adventures, and first emigrated to Canada in 1899. Today the remaining Doukhobors are equally divided between Canada and Russia (about 40,000 each). The majority of Canadian Doukhobors live in Saskatchewan.
So, you've identified a Russian spelling.
used to be jwoodget
Mar 14th, 2003, 07:29 PM
Dr. G. since there's a slight hint of Yiddish in this thread, can I ask a question about sundown and the Sabbath? What do practicing Orthodox Jews that live in the far northern or southern regions of the earth do during the respective winters? Tromslo, Norway has barely any sun for 4 months of the year. Just curious. Does it mean the Sabbath extends for almost 48 hours during such times (midday Friday to Midday Sunday).
This may be a very silly question (if so I apologise). And I won't ask any more..... smile.gif
Mar 15th, 2003, 05:29 PM
jwoodget, it is actually not a strange question at all, and it has actually been asked by Jewish and Muslim people alike recently. Rule of thumb is that if you are of a latitude that has unique sunset times, you are allowed to go down to an appropriate line of longitude to determine the time of sunrise and sunset marking the start and end of the sabbath day. Thus, you would follow the line of longitude from the community in Norway until you hit a place that has a time for sunset and sunrise predetermined. There are calendars with these times, and I believe that there are now websites that will be able to supply you with this info.
used to be jwoodget
Mar 15th, 2003, 07:47 PM
Thanks Dr.G. It always amazes me how the Jewish and Muslim faiths are so willing to adopt new technologies when they appear so ancient and traditional to "outsiders". If only we could all see through the superficial barriers that separate these faiths, the world would be so much richer (instead of pitting one ignorance or bias against another).
Mar 15th, 2003, 09:31 PM
jwoodget, the Jewish and Muslim faiths have common origins. In a way, there was more similarities than differences. Their was a story of how Pres.Jimmy Carter got Began and Saddat to sign a peace accord -- he talked about their grandchildren, and how someday they might live in peace because of the Camp David Accords. Wanting peace for their grandchildren was a greater motivator than a desire to go to war over their religious differences.
Mar 16th, 2003, 01:31 AM
And some say Carter was a poor president.
How sad that a motivator of peace when he was president and still to this day, is viewed by some as a failure.
Carter showed such insight by using that technique. He was a brilliant man and is today, IMHO, America's best example of a true statesman.
I know others will disagree.
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:05 AM
Macspectrum, you shall receive no disagreements from me! Carter was the last president I voted for in the US prior to coming here, and it was not because I was living in Georgia at the time. He is probably the last example at how a person is able to come to a position of power and still maintain his sence of humanity. He deserved the Nobel Prize for Peace.