I just upgraded to Mountain Lion. I don't really find any of the changes useful...reminders, notes...(thats about all I could see). I have no webcam so facetime is useless and all my friends have blackberry's...so imessage is useless too... BUT, I did load up pages and to my disbelief...."SAVE AS" was an option...I was so happy. Quicktime still has the duplicate feature... but i also have quicktime 7 and it has the 'SAVE AS' feature... this was only the reason stopping me from upgrading my laptop...(I have 2 macs)...but now that SAVE AS is back...I think its time to bring the entire mac family on to the same level.

:)

You may want to test it. I haven't yet - but what I read is that it still saves the original you are working on with changes. For example, you open Document123 and make a few changes then click Save As and create Document456. Close the file and then re-open Document123 and it has the changes as well. So it is still auto-saving.

As I said, I have not tested this yet - only read about it.

Ok - I just tested it using the command-shift-option-S to save it and yes -both the new and old have the changes - so it did not preserve the original document.

The reason I used the keyboard shortcut is because I do not have 'save as' on my menu in Pages - did yours just appear when you upgraded to Mountain Lion?

The reason I used the keyboard shortcut is because I do not have 'save as' on my menu in Pages - did yours just appear when you upgraded to Mountain Lion?

I used this method to restore 'save as' to my Pages menu (and all others too).

Get Save As back on Mountain Lion's File menu easily and without hacks | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog (http://www.tuaw.com/2012/07/29/get-save-as-back-on-mountain-lions-file-menu-easily-and-without/)

westonc, to emphasize your point - this is NOT the "Save As" we used to know and love...

Mountain Lion's Save As still a disaster (http://www.zdnet.com/mountain-lions-save-as-still-a-disaster-7000002179/)

If one edits a document, then chooses Save As, then BOTH the edited original document and the copy are saved, thus not only saving a new copy, but silently saving the original with the same changes, thus overwriting the original. If you notice this auto-whack, you can “Revert To” the older version*** (manually), but if you don’t notice, then at some later date you’ll be in for a confusing surprise. And maybe an OMG-what-happened (consider a customer invoice that was overwritten).

(ZDnet (http://www.zdnet.com/mountain-lions-save-as-still-a-disaster-7000002179/))

SO about this whole save thing.... say you open a file and do something to it and then exit without saving or you just open it to look and do nothing, does it ask you if you want to save the changes or does it just exit and save everything automatically?

or does it just exit and save everything automatically?

This.

westonc, to emphasize your point - this is NOT the "Save As" we used to know and love...

Mountain Lion's Save As still a disaster (http://www.zdnet.com/mountain-lions-save-as-still-a-disaster-7000002179/)



(ZDnet (http://www.zdnet.com/mountain-lions-save-as-still-a-disaster-7000002179/))

Couldn't one save as BEFORE making changes, rather than afterwards, and still have the original in its pre-edit state?

well...i just tested it out...it seems my euphoria was short lived....what a colossal piece of crap.. i guess i'll be sticking to word and SL on my MBP, while the macpro limps along with ML

well...i just tested it out...it seems my euphoria was short lived....what a colossal piece of crap.. i guess i'll be sticking to word and SL on my MBP, while the macpro limps along with ML

I got my "Save As..." back and working fine and as I expect it to, and it has been since I installed and tried Lion on a partition about a year ago.

My solution was to just to carry on using Snow Leopard where everything I have and need just works as I want as my daily OS X. ;) ;)

Now I'm really getting confused....

I thought save as...... had disappeared on Lion (and this thread talks about it coming back on ML, I understand that)

But yesterday I was working on a Pages document on one of the Macs we have that runs Lion (none have upgraded to ML yet) and Save As.... came up under the file menu as usual.

Just checked it again to make sure I wasn't dreaming, Save As... is there on Pages 08 and also on the latest version of MS Word.

So what gives????

Maybe your older Pages '08 and some other apps just didn't get polluted with Apple's latest "new and improved features" and the new "Save As " methods, and MS no doubt takes a flying finger salute attitude to Apple's latest suggested "features" to use??? ;)

Well pm-r, there is obviously more to it than Apple just removing "Save As...." in Lion.
The way this is described everywhere on the net and here on ehMac as well, is that this feature disappeared when people moved to Lion, no mention I remember that some apps have kept it somehow.

Well pm-r, there is obviously more to it than Apple just removing "Save As...." in Lion.
The way this is described everywhere on the net and here on ehMac as well, is that this feature disappeared when people moved to Lion, no mention I remember that some apps have kept it somehow.

From what I understood, an app have to support versionning. Else, it will still have "Save as...".

Also to follow on the topic, I'm pretty sure I had a way to make ML's apps behave as I wanted. I'll get back to you when I'm back on my desktop.

Edit:
Well.. I was wrong. Holding Option will change Duplicate to Save as... in the File menu, but the behavior seems to stay the same as Duplicate. Very odd, and very frustrating.

Hopefully a bug?

Okay, this "Save as..." business is complicated. Uselessly so I might add.

But I've found a way to make the system work for me. I thought I'd share it here in case it might help someone who's trying to resolve the same problem.

First, making ML asks if I want to save changes when closing a document, check:
System Preferences > General > Ask to keep changes when closing documents
and to do so even if I hit CMD-Q:
System Preferences > General > Close windows when quitting an application

That way if I open, say, TextEdit, write stuff and close the app, it will ask if I want to save and WON'T re-open the document next time I start TextEdit.

This "save everything behind the user's back and pop it all back up in his face next time" was utterly annoying to me. Good riddance.

Now to "Save as..." itself. ML's so called menu item is junk and should never be used if you plan on keeping your sanity. There.

What I do to duplicate the functionality is just use "Duplicate", type in a new name and hit Enter. Works the same as saving as, minus I still have the original document open. So I close it, tell it not to save the changes, and I'm done. Same functionality, more steps. Can't have everything I guess.

Anyway, that's how I managed to be able to live with Mountain Lion. Hope that helps someone.

I did some more digging on this supposed "Save AS" issue in Lion (and then ML) because in all the testing I did with Pages and MS Word, the two apps where I use 'Save As' the most, it works on Lion the same way it has always worked. Maybe on ML as well, but I don't have that installed yet.

What it really seems to come down to in the end is that this 'Save As' change was not a change in Lion at all as pretty much all the articles on the net either imply or state but a change to certain standard Apple applications that are shipped with Lion like Preview and Text Edit.
Took me a while to get that information, but that explains why Pages 08 and MS Word 2011 still work like they always have.
It also means that one can use the Snow Leopard version of Preview with 'Save As' intact if one wishes to do that.
How to Install the Older Preview App from Snow Leopard in Mac OS X Lion (http://osxdaily.com/2012/01/27/how-to-install-the-older-preview-app-from-snow-leopard-in-mac-os-x-lion/)

Would have been nice if the various articles on the 'Save As' issue had made that clear rather than just announcing "Apple removed the 'Save As' feature in Lion

As MX-V mentioned in a recent post, it seems to be some sort of Apple's (and maybe some other app developers) latest application/OS X "versionning" thing.

Okay, this "Save as..." business is complicated. Uselessly so I might add. ... What I do to duplicate the functionality is just use "Duplicate", type in a new name and hit Enter. Works the same as saving as, minus I still have the original document open. So I close it, tell it not to save the changes, and I'm done. Same functionality, more steps. Can't have everything I guess. Anyway, that's how I managed to be able to live with Mountain Lion. Hope that helps someone.
Agreed. I made that TUAW fix, all excited, then saw the warnings and I think I will revert back to this Apple standadrd when working outside Office. Fortunately in MS Office, I think Save As works the old way.