Jul 12th, 2012, 04:53 AM
Jul 12th, 2012, 04:53 AM
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:45 AM
Not knowing anything about wide gamut monitors, I did a quick google search and found this article with a general explanation:
Using Wide Gamut Monitors (http://www.imagescience.com.au/kb/questions/168/Using+Wide+Gamut+Monitors)
Sounds as if things are just the way they are and the way you see them unless you have a NEC PA-series monitor.
Jul 12th, 2012, 09:04 AM
Most of our serious colour pros are still on 10.6.8 - you may need as mentioned something with built in LUT.
The NECs are terrific and we have a decent selection of factory refurbs - even the superb 30"qxi
HP upper end are decent 8 bit screens but not up in the pro colour class. I imagine Apple has consigned that category to the high end monitor suppliers.
Jul 12th, 2012, 01:27 PM
Actually, that HP LCD is definitely pro. If I remember correctly, it may be the only desktop monitor with an RGB LED backlight.
I have an NEC wide-gamut monitor (which I got from MacDoc), and I use 10.7. That computer and display are pretty much only used for photo work, and both Aperture and Photoshop colour-correct appropriately, and that's what counts for me. I did notice that some icons are a bit off, but I can't be bothered trying to fix it.
At least in OSX the profile sticks. I've has Windows revert to different profiles by itself so many times I felt like writing hate mail to the folks in Redmond.
Jul 12th, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Interesting topic here. I do a ton of photography and editing in order to go to print on a dell 2009wa ( i think thats the right model). I have it calibrated with a spyer 3 pro. I like the idea of the monitor being able to show a wider range of colours however when i'm printing the printers can't even support a full Adobe RGB range so it seems a mute point. Am I missing something in all this?
For what its worth I hear nothing but good about the Eizo monitors if they are in your budget.
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:18 PM
My Epson 3880, with the right paper, is pretty close to Adobe RGB, and certainly exceeds sRGB, so there is value in going wide gamut. Exceeding Adobe RGB may not yet be a necessity, but it could soon be, depending on the evolution of printers and photo paper.
I love me NEC2690, but I wise I had more pixels than 1920x1200. Perhaps I'll look at the 27" and 30" NEC models that MacDoc has now and then.
Jul 12th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jul 12th, 2012, 11:20 PM
I use the NEC PA241 and find that it is a great monitor for the money. I got a hood for free when I purchased it and find my prints with the Epson R2880 are pretty close.
Jul 13th, 2012, 07:52 AM
Thank IDphoto good to know about the Epson 3880 i'll see if I can find one to print to. I normally print out to a Lambda at Elevator digital. I honestly haven't used ink jet in a little bit now. There is a place near me with an epson 11880 so maybe i'll try it out.
Jul 13th, 2012, 08:01 AM
Just remember that Apple is notorious for throwing 'something' into an OS release between the GM version and the shipping version. I wouldn't be basing any purchasing decisions strictly based on a GM release.
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Jul 13th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Jul 14th, 2012, 10:16 AM
Because sometimes I sure feel like it.
There are days where there seems to be no end to my frustration with my HP LP2475W monitor. It's a great LCD, but it's also a wide gamut unit. So calibration is a must, as is a working monitor profile.
Everything works great under 10.6.8. I've got my ICC profiles installed, and everything works fine. All the Finder and Dock icons are colour corrected, the Aqua UI is properly colour corrected, etc. Most of the major applications I use are colour space aware so setting those up to work in sRGB is easy enough.
When I temporarily upgraded to 10.7 (then promptly downgraded), one of the things that nagged me to no end was the fact that the Finder refused to colour correct thumbnails generated from images on the fly. Without colour correction on a wide gamut monitor, red is REALLY red, green is REALLY green and blue is mesmerizingly blue. So those files would constantly stick out like a sore thumb among the rest of the colour-corrected UI.
Just today I went to 10.8 GM.
And ColorSync appears to do nothing. Well, almost nothing. My desktop background gets colour corrected when I select my monitor profile, as do a good portion of the UI widgets. However both the Finder, Dock (and Launchpad) refuse to colour correct anything. This means that folder icons are a bizarre off-turquoise colour, anything with red in it looks like it's going to melt through my monitor and greens/blues are equally over saturated.
I've confirmed that my monitor ICC profile is valid and working. I've even recreated it- numerous times (via a fresh calibration). I've deleted caches, I've delved into the depths of Terminal.app. I've logged out and in more times then I can count, I've rebooted the machine multiple times- but nothing seems to affect the fact that ColorSync profiles do diddly squat when it comes to Finder and Dock and Launchpad icons.
So my question is...
Does Apple simply not give a fart about colour profiling and accuracy anymore? Or does nobody actually run a wide gamut monitor- so I'm the only person who notices these stupendous discrepancies?
I've asked in numerous forums to try and figure out if I'm the only person having these issues somehow, and I never get any responses. Maybe I'm asking in the wrong place, I don't know.
Does anyone around here run a WG monitor, and have you noticed any of these issues in 10.7 and 10.8?
So I guess I need a monitor with a proper sRGB LUT built-in. The HP LP2475W has some sort of an sRGB mode, but it doesn't do anything- you need to install the sRGB ICC profile when using that mode and that brings me right back around to the issue of the Finder and Dock icons ignoring ICC profiles.
I'm not too inclined to buy another HP because I keep hearing weird things about their firmware or hardware and the general consensus seems to be that buying an HP monitor can be a hit or miss if you get the right or wrong firmware version.
So that narrows it down to NEC, or Eizo.
Of the two, which would you guys recommend? The only things I absolutely need are a 1920x1200 resolution (minimum), an S-IPS panel, and of course hardware sRGB emulation. The whole colour accurate thing is kinda a wash for me because I'm developing for iOS- and Apple's handheld devices swing around in terms of tint and colour so much that it just doesn't seem to matter. If it looks good on sRGB, then it basically looks good on the device (and I've never had a client complain about colour accuracy).
I don't edit photos or work with anything in Adobe RGB or any other colour space then sRGB.
Guess I'm going to go with an Eizo, eventually. I'd like to have the ability to run a wide gamut monitor since I do occasionally dabble in photography as a hobby, but sRGB compatibility is more important.
Since I totally don't have $2K right now for an Eizo and I don't feel like wasting $500 on a crappy sRGB panel just to make up for whoever isn't doing their job at Apple, I guess I'll be sticking with 10.6.8 for the foreseeable future. I had high hopes for 10.8, but man- what a disappointment.
I have 2x HP LP2475w monitors and they are great... never trusted Apples ColourSync... for true colour accuracy a colorimeter is a must IMO and the reason why I own an X-rite i1 Display 2 (http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?lang=en%20ion=94&ID=788) (now disconnected). It makes rock solid (well at least until you need to create one again as the monitor ages which is usually at least one per week, less as the monitor "burns in") ICC profiles.
The X-rite product that replaces the i1 Display 2 is the i1Display Pro (http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=1454) and costs about $250.... a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a new monitor or two.
EDIT: Sorry I just saw you have an i1... sorry I can't help you with a profile as I run on 10.6.8 and will be for the foreseeable future... good luck.