I know iPods don't get the love and attention anymore, but my huge 30gb doesn't cut it anymore for jogging.

I'm looking to pick one up a Nano, but it seems due for an update. Perhaps one with built in GPS? A camera? Or will they'll just sit tight, given the lack of competition and demand for MP3 devices.

Any thoughts on where Apple might go for their next generation iPod Nano?

I don't think it will have a camera or GPS (are really worried about getting lost out on your runs ;) ) it is just too small.

Personally I wouldn't bother waiting. I can't see any update being all that spectacular, just buy one now and stop jogging with a little brick attached to you.

It will be a small tablet that dissolves on your tongue and doesn't leave a film. From that point on you will hear music and see flashing lights. :D

I think it could have a GPS and the ability to install apps. There is an app I use for jogging on my iPhone that I would love to have on an iPod nano.

I feel the opposite. I still prefer navigating the older nanos for running. I find the touch screen to be cumbersome.

I think it could have a GPS and the ability to install apps. There is an app I use for jogging on my iPhone that I would love to have on an iPod nano.

It won't have GPS, as the chips aren't small enough yet. That, and it would also need a SIM slot, antennas, etc. Not going to happen.

Apps would be unlikely, given that it would further fragment the iOS market. I don't see Apple doing that.

I feel the opposite. I still prefer navigating the older nanos for running. I find the touch screen to be cumbersome.

Agreed. The candy bar shaped nano was much easier to hold and navigate with one hand.

Clipping it to a shirt sleeve makes it difficult to flip through songs while on the move. Although if you spring extra for the earbuds with controls on it, you can do that quite quickly. Or buy a nano watchband.

It won't have GPS, as the chips aren't small enough yet. That, and it would also need a SIM slot, antennas, etc. Not going to happen.

Apps would be unlikely, given that it would further fragment the iOS market. I don't see Apple doing that.

Looks small enough to me.

Looks small enough to me.

Not combined with all the other chips necessary (not to mention the larger battery required).

I have faith. And hope is my strategy. ;)

Not combined with all the other chips necessary (not to mention the larger battery required).

+1 Agreed not going to happen... not at least in the next gen.

I'm with Joker. I'd love it if Apple could squeeze a GPS inside. I don't need a mapping application (the tiny screen would make it worthless anyway) but just a way to log my runs and show my pace. Something along the lines of what this Garmin watch (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=142&pID=84374) does.

According to iSuppli, the GPS chip in the iPhone 4 was worth $1.75, so price isn't likely a huge barrier. And according the the manufacturer Broadcom, the chip takes less than 35mm^2 of PCB space. And that was two years ago, so maybe newer, smaller options exist.

Apple has worked wonders in small spaces before. Maybe they'll do it again. It would be the ultimate runner's device. I guy can hope, can't he?

I have faith. And hope is my strategy. ;)

You wouldn't happen to be an investment banker (or at least a former investment banker circa 2008)? ;)

But I don't see why no GPS either.

You wouldn't happen to be an investment banker (or at least a former investment banker circa 2008)? ;)

But I don't see why no GPS either.

I could one. But I have no money to invest, and no one has yet to give me their money to invest.:heybaby:

It won't have GPS, as the chips aren't small enough yet. That, and it would also need a SIM slot, antennas, etc. Not going to happen.

Apps would be unlikely, given that it would further fragment the iOS market. I don't see Apple doing that.

Why would a SIM slot be required?

Would be nice if they would let us add our own background pics already. Is that so much to ask?

Why would a SIM slot be required?

For the 3G radio, to allow the AGPS to function properly, and provide other data services.

For the 3G radio, to allow the AGPS to function properly, and provide other data services.

if they put gps in a nano of any size, i don't think it would be assisted gps. it would be ridiculous to need a cell signal just for tracking the distance of a run or any other use gps would have on a nano.

I'm with Joker. I'd love it if Apple could squeeze a GPS inside. I don't need a mapping application (the tiny screen would make it worthless anyway) but just a way to log my runs and show my pace.

Wouldn't it just require an on-board accelerometer to do that (or at least much of that)? Not a bad add-on, provided that it doesn't add to either the bulk or price of the product.

Wouldn't it just require an on-board accelerometer to do that (or at least much of that)? Not a bad add-on, provided that it doesn't add to either the bulk or price of the product.

That's a good point. The Nike+ fitness app that's on the nano already relies on the built-in accelerometer. In general, it works fine, but it isn't horribly accurate. Plus, it's nice to be able to map your route.

I looked into the chip the Garmin watch uses and its dimensions are 3.42 x 2.68 x 0.6mm. It doesn't require a cell radio transmitter or data plan because it doesn't due any mapping. It just stores the coordinates so that when the user returns home and connects the watch to a computer, the coordinates are uploaded. From there, the route is mapped and the other data is logged so the runner has a journal of his or her training. My wife has an older Garmin and swears by it when she runs.

That's a good point. The Nike+ fitness app that's on the nano already relies on the built-in accelerometer. In general, it works fine, but it isn't horribly accurate. Plus, it's nice to be able to map your route.

I looked into the chip the Garmin watch uses and its dimensions are 3.42 x 2.68 x 0.6mm. It doesn't require a cell radio transmitter or data plan because it doesn't due any mapping. It just stores the coordinates so that when the user returns home and connects the watch to a computer, the coordinates are uploaded. From there, the route is mapped and the other data is logged so the runner has a journal of his or her training. My wife has an older Garmin and swears by it when she runs.

If garmin can do it so can apple.

In the recent heat we've been having here. I've taken to running on a treadmill. On the one hand, the Fitness app on the iPod nano was able to log my run, whereas a GPS-based app wouldn't. On the other, I'm not convinced that it's accurate.

I compared the distance reported by the Fitness app on my iPod nano (secured in a wrist band) and by the treadmill. The distance on the iPod nano was in the neighbourhood of 15-20% higher. I think it's because attaching the nano to my arm throws the accelerometers off. I'll recalibrate the iPod nano next run and see if I can get more consistently accurate measurements.

humm, not that I think this is right but interesting none the less:
Apple to return to vertical, tall iPod nano design, add home button? - 9to5Mac (http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/10/apple-to-return-to-vertical-tall-ipod-nano-design-add-home-button/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+9To5Mac-MacAllDay+%289+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence%29)

humm, not that I think this is right but interesting none the less:
Apple to return to vertical, tall iPod nano design, add home button? - 9to5Mac (http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/10/apple-to-return-to-vertical-tall-ipod-nano-design-add-home-button/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+9To5Mac-MacAllDay+%289+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence%29)

That won't happen.

I agree that it seems like a MAJOR long shot, but my 6 year old has the current nano and I can tell you when I use it I wish it had a home button, as the left swipe thing just feels wrong

I agree that it seems like a MAJOR long shot, but my 6 year old has the current nano and I can tell you when I use it I wish it had a home button, as the left swipe thing just feels wrong

Like anything you just have to get use to it. My girlfriend got one via the replacment program last year and she was not happy with losing her old one but now she loves it. I told her to trust me with the change.

There are many of these artist drawings and people are taking them like "it could happen". If anything Apple might just get rid of the Shuffle and add features to the Nano like what I would like to see or other features like which were created by Pebble.

Pebble: E-Paper Watch for iPhone and Android by Pebble Technology — Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android)

Pebble (http://getpebble.com/)

fēnix™ Outdoor GPS Watch | Garmin (http://sites.garmin.com/fenix/#begin)

I agree that it seems like a MAJOR long shot, but my 6 year old has the current nano and I can tell you when I use it I wish it had a home button, as the left swipe thing just feels wrong

I agree. The swipe interface only works with a form factor you can comfortably hold, hence the iPhone and iPod Touch.

The current square shaped Nano is uncomfortably small and it's non-tactile touch screen is only so-so for sport activities such as running. It's more usable only if attached to a wrist band where you can brace to swipe.

Going back to a slim rectangular shape will allow one to easily hold and navigate with the thumb (just like an iPhone). It's almost a merging of gen 5 and 6 Nanos...touch but in a bar-shaped form factor. Hopefully this is the new direction. Now just add GPS and I'm sold. :)