Mac Pro User's Facebook Petition Garners Over 3,000 Likes, Demands Apple Clarity (http://www.mactrast.com/2012/05/mac-pro-users-facebook-petition-garners-over-3000-likes-demands-apple-clarity/)

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The status of the Mac Pro has been left in limbo by Apple since the last update in 2010, and one user has had enough. Lou Borella, a professional editor and graphic animator from New York has posted a petition page on Facebook demanding Apple to clarify the situation, and it has already reached well over 3,000 likes since it was created on May 8.

(MacTrast (http://www.mactrast.com/2012/05/mac-pro-users-facebook-petition-garners-over-3000-likes-demands-apple-clarity/))

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I agree, Mac Pro should've been one of the first Ivy Bridge systems on the market.

Started May 8.... Today is the 24th...... 3000 likes is next to nothing. Not exactly an earth shattering response.

Maybe Apple has it right.....

The petition seems to have drawn a loud "Meh" response......

Today was the first day it got a tiny bit of exposure, and it's now actually over 4000 'likes'.

So a thousand in a day. not bad at all.

sudo rm -rf /

That's a pretty sad response overall. If I wanted to sink the MacPro, I would bring that to the Apple board of directors meeting.

At least it was one of Apple's later better designs that actually allowed one to easily swap out/upgrade or replace a hard dive which is sure lacking with most of their other and recent Mac model designs.

And hey, it even allowed a user to actually use some of the PCI and PCIe cards that the rest of the world was supplying and using.

Maybe Ives and his Apple design team could actually provide some "hidden" access panel to swap out/upgrade or replace a hard dive on a normal iMac. And maybe hide it as well as they do with the power switch on any semi recent iMacs etc. ;)

Naw... Imacs are just disposable devices now I believe is their thinking and they need to keep their "marginal"??? Mac profits up.

I guess the Mac Pros were the latest updates to the last G4 MDD dual boot we just semi-retired some months ago, and it's looking like they may be going in the same direction. Very disappointing if so. :( :(

over 8000 'likes' at the moment, so it's more than doubled in a little more than a day since getting a tiny bit of internet exposure.

thats probably more likes than mac pros sold in 2011.

hahaha

I don't see how much engineering is required to get new Ivy Bridge CPUs and logic boards into the Mac Pro. The current processors are extremely expensive for the overall performance you get out of these things. An Intel Core-i7 3930K is less than half the price of the Intel Xeon X5670 yet is 50% faster. On the low end, the base Mac Pro's processor is barely faster than the base model iMac's processor.

No wonder hardly anyone wants to buy a Mac Pro right now.

if all you look at is clock speed and all you look at is the base quad core models then you generally won't see the benefit and, truthfully, are probably not the mac pro's target customer.

its akin to people who compare clock speed/hard drive size/factory RAM between a $1000 HP laptop and a $2500 17" macbook pro and focus only on those specs

Apple Pulls Mac Pro Stocks from Most Retail Stores Ahead of WWDC - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/05/apple-pulls-mac-pro-stocks-from-most-retail-stores-ahead-of-wwdc/)

Mac Pro to Finally See Updates Next Week - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/05/mac-pro-to-finally-see-updates-next-week/)

I don't see how much engineering is required to get new Ivy Bridge CPUs and logic boards into the Mac Pro. The current processors are extremely expensive for the overall performance you get out of these things. An Intel Core-i7 3930K is less than half the price of the Intel Xeon X5670 yet is 50% faster. On the low end, the base Mac Pro's processor is barely faster than the base model iMac's processor.

No wonder hardly anyone wants to buy a Mac Pro right now.

It is not a workstation processor cut and dry... that's why not. "Faster" is only one part of a working Pro's equation....

In the end though I would not be surprised if Apple's plans are to drop the Pro market altogether... it certainly seems low on their priority list... just as it is with all major manufacturers...

Alas the Pro market is more and more a niche market despite the fact that it has driven innovation in the past... the market has changed and accordingly so have companies priorities.

Consumers rule now.

Yea, I realize the server processors are about reliability as well.

It'd be nice if Apple got into premium gaming machines with these Mac Pros. It's ridiculous how much some of my friends spend on upgrading to the latest and greatest video cards.

Yea, I realize the server processors are about reliability as well.

It'd be nice if Apple got into premium gaming machines with these Mac Pros. It's ridiculous how much some of my friends spend on upgrading to the latest and greatest video cards.

The problem with that idea is the latest and greatest games often don't have Mac versions... still waiting for a Mac version of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. Don't think it is ever going to happen though. Mac sales of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 must have sucked and it wasn't worth the cost of development.

The problem with that idea is the latest and greatest games often don't have Mac versions... still waiting for a Mac version of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. Don't think it is ever going to happen though. Mac sales of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 have sucked and it wasn't worth the cost of development.

Well that's cause most of Mac users also have a PS3 or Xbox 360. And instead of waiting many years you can pick up games that are very popular after they've been out awhile used for a fraction of the full retail price!

I know that practice kinda sucks (no used sale moneys goes to the Devs)

And as for new Mac Pros... One cn only sit tight and hope at this point!

The problem with that idea is the latest and greatest games often don't have Mac versions... still waiting for a Mac version of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. Don't think it is ever going to happen though. Mac sales of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 must have sucked and it wasn't worth the cost of development.

Modern Warfare 3 sucks returned that junk. Went back to Blackops.

Couldn't you have bootcamp to run the game if you wanted to?

Well that's cause most of Mac users also have a PS3 or Xbox 360. And instead of waiting many years you can pick up games that are very popular after they've been out awhile used for a fraction of the full retail price!

I know that practice kinda sucks (no used sale moneys goes to the Devs)

And as for new Mac Pros... One cn only sit tight and hope at this point!

I have the XBOX. Just prefer to sit in front of 55" instead of at my desk.

Alleged New Part Numbers Suggest Over a Dozen New Mac Models Coming at WWDC [Updated] - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/06/alleged-new-part-numbers-suggest-over-a-dozen-new-mac-models-coming-at-wwdc/)

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/wwdc_2012_price_list_macs.jpg

Well that's cause most of Mac users also have a PS3 or Xbox 360. And instead of waiting many years you can pick up games that are very popular after they've been out awhile used for a fraction of the full retail price!

I know that practice kinda sucks (no used sale moneys goes to the Devs)

And as for new Mac Pros... One cn only sit tight and hope at this point!

I don't know about most, but I'm sure a lot do, personally I don't own a PS3 or Xbox 360. I have used them but I don't like the controllers I prefer a keyboard and mouse. I'm sure I could get used to it but I would just rather have the game on my Mac.

Modern Warfare 3 sucks returned that junk. Went back to Blackops.

Couldn't you have bootcamp to run the game if you wanted to?



I have the XBOX. Just prefer to sit in front of 55" instead of at my desk.

I guess it is a matter of taste as other people have said it is as good as MW2.

Nope I'm on a MacPro 1.1 and with snow leopard the old Mac Pros were dropped as supporting boot camp. I'm sure if I hunted around for drivers it would still probably still work but I don't need to play it that bad... I have better things to do than hunt around for drivers for boot camp.

Modern Warfare 3 sucks returned that junk. Went back to Blackops.


All my friends seem to hate Black Ops, then again they seem to hate MW3 as well, they seem to have deserted me (I stayed with MW3) and gone to Battlefield 3. (Maybe hate is isn't the right word, they just don't want to play MW3).

Are you going to buy Black Ops 2? I think my next multiplayer game will be Halo 4.



I have the XBOX. Just prefer to sit in front of 55" instead of at my desk.

Yeah, I deserted the Mac for games 2 or 3 years ago, and went to an Xbox 360 in front of a 51" TV, too.

All my friends seem to hate Black Ops, then again they seem to hate MW3 as well, they seem to have deserted me (I stayed with MW3) and gone to Battlefield 3. (Maybe hate is isn't the right word, they just don't want to play MW3).

Are you going to buy Black Ops 2? I think my next multiplayer game will be Halo 4.



Yeah, I deserted the Mac for games 2 or 3 years ago, and went to an Xbox 360 in front of a 51" TV, too.

I think i have given up on all of Call of Duty games. Just prefer a little more challenge then people running around quick scoping. I tried BF3 and returned it the very next day. Right now I just finished Ghost Recon campaign as I enjoyed that.

Alleged New Part Numbers Suggest Over a Dozen New Mac Models Coming at WWDC [Updated] - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/06/alleged-new-part-numbers-suggest-over-a-dozen-new-mac-models-coming-at-wwdc/)

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/wwdc_2012_price_list_macs.jpg


Yeah, I think a new line of Mac Pros is comin', but I think they have the Best and Ultimate model's prices mixed up.

Doom 2 still runs great on my Mac Pro.

I think i have given up on all of Call of Duty games. Just prefer a little more challenge then people running around quick scoping. I tried BF3 and returned it the very next day. Right now I just finished Ghost Recon campaign as I enjoyed that.

Yeah, I'm not a quick scoper either... hate those guys. I'm impressed by those guys, but I hate'em.

Right now single player wise, I just finished Mass Effect 3 and started Prototype 2. Did a little coop play in Mass Effect 3. Also a little disappointed in the ending(s) of Mass Effect 3. (I was about to explain why, but thought I may spoiler it for some, and I'm not sure we have spoiler tags on this forum).

Also played Assassin's Creed Revelations before Mass Effect 3.

I think i have given up on all of Call of Duty games. Just prefer a little more challenge then people running around quick scoping. I tried BF3 and returned it the very next day. Right now I just finished Ghost Recon campaign as I enjoyed that.

Yeah, I'm not a quick scoper either... hate those guys. I'm impressed by those guys, but I hate'em.

Right now single player wise, I just finished Mass Effect 3 and started Prototype 2. Did a little coop play in Mass Effect 3. Also a little disappointed in the ending(s) of Mass Effect 3. (I was about to explain why, but thought I may spoiler it for some, and I'm not sure we have spoiler tags on this forum).

Also played Assassin's Creed Revelations before Mass Effect 3.

What does "quick scoping mean"? I don't play multi-player always just against the computer.

I'm really bad so because I play so infrequently... I wouldn't want to play against others who are way more skilled than me... I'm a SAVE as you go kind of guy. I would find it frustrating getting killed by all these game crazed kids all the time. I just like to take things at my own/the computers pace. :D

Alleged New Part Numbers Suggest Over a Dozen New Mac Models Coming at WWDC [Updated] - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/06/alleged-new-part-numbers-suggest-over-a-dozen-new-mac-models-coming-at-wwdc/)

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/wwdc_2012_price_list_macs.jpg

that list doesn't seem to be complete...only 2 models for MBPs and they appear to be priced as if 17" and 15" models

I got tired of having to pull out my COD 2 DVD every time I wanted to play, so I sprung for COD 4 when it came up half-price at the MacGameStore. Pure digital and no moving parts - nice.

But I find I'm often frustrated by the environments... the ability to interact with objects in the maps... climb on top of objects, destroy walls, furniture, etc... I was hoping for something less restrictive.

actually my math is way off...3199 AUD is like $3200 CAD

i would be really, really shocked if there was a $3000+ macbook pro. thats not at all consistent with the way pricing has gone lately..

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I'm really bad so because I play so infrequently... I wouldn't want to play against others who are way more skilled than me... I'm a SAVE as you go kind of guy. I would find it frustrating getting killed by all these game crazed kids all the time. I just like to take things at my own/the computers pace. :D

Don't even think about challenging any good gamer, and especially any of the "game crazed kids" out there.

You sound much more of an experienced gamer than I am, and I can tell you it's a most humbling experience, even if you were challenged by your sons, or even daughters to just "give it a try Dad"!! Yeah right. ;)

Myst was enough of a challenge for me, but I did enjoy the old "System About Box" (System 8??) breakout game I salvaged to use up to System 9.2.2 from its hidden "easter egg". That was good enough for me. ;)

Its not hard to get a 17" MBP over $3K now. $2499 base price, $250 for the higher clock speed i7, and $500 for an SSD. Even just getting the higer speed 750GB rotating/mechanical drive is an extra $50. And this leaves out the (admittedly outrageously priced) Apple RAM upgrades.

Kostas

just finished playing a variant of Wolfenstein 3d in DosBox on my Mac.
and yes, I still play a variant of Doom 2 on my Mac (GZDoom), sadly tho'
for games, I kinda had to give up on the Mac, and go for a PS3. Dunno why, but Mac Pro's aren't really seen as "gaming" computers, I think, plus throw in a smaller market, and the chances aren't that good, which for me is a shame because Mac Pro's do have the horsepower and you can get good graphics cards for them. Soundcards? special "gamer" headphones?no. There might be a potential demand, but the financial return isn't good, so not worth it. We're a niche market. A niche that I think needs to be scratched :rolleyes. Even Apple's focus, I'm guessing, is more towards the portable line of stuff. games are an afterthought. Well, at least Apple has thrown us a bone, so that's something. BluRay? don't hold your breath.....

just my 2 cents

John b

Its not hard to get a 17" MBP over $3K now. $2499 base price, $250 for the higher clock speed i7, and $500 for an SSD. Even just getting the higer speed 750GB rotating/mechanical drive is an extra $50. And this leaves out the (admittedly outrageously priced) Apple RAM upgrades.

Kostas

yes but that list purports to be a list of stock prices, which wouldn't usually take into consideration CTO upgrades. CTO machines have different part numbers that don't look anything like the ones listed

the current 15" models are $2099 and $2499, the 17" is $2899 AUD

Diablo 3, for such a seemingly simple game it needs a very powerful system. I don't think the top of the line iMac 27" is powerful enough to run it at full settings and max resolution.

I had no idea they release Modern Warfare 2 for Mac.

just finished playing a variant of Wolfenstein 3d in DosBox on my Mac.
and yes, I still play a variant of Doom 2 on my Mac (GZDoom), sadly tho'
for games, I kinda had to give up on the Mac, and go for a PS3. Dunno why, but Mac Pro's aren't really seen as "gaming" computers, I think, plus throw in a smaller market, and the chances aren't that good, which for me is a shame because Mac Pro's do have the horsepower and you can get good graphics cards for them. Soundcards? special "gamer" headphones?no. There might be a potential demand, but the financial return isn't good, so not worth it. We're a niche market. A niche that I think needs to be scratched :rolleyes. Even Apple's focus, I'm guessing, is more towards the portable line of stuff. games are an afterthought. Well, at least Apple has thrown us a bone, so that's something. BluRay? don't hold your breath.....

just my 2 cents

John b

I'm rather disappointed that the new Deus X requires a graphics card more powerful than the HD 3000 that's in my late-2011 13" MacBook Pro - that was one of my favourite games....

I'm rather disappointed that the new Deus X requires a graphics card more powerful than the HD 3000 that's in my late-2011 13" MacBook Pro - that was one of my favourite games....

It will run on the HD3000, but you'll need to turn down details. And, the HD3000 really isn't a decent graphics card, so you can't expect much from it.

What does "quick scoping mean"? I don't play multi-player always just against the computer.


Quick scoping is taking a sniper rifle and basically using it like an assault rifle. Running around and bringing the scope up not even for a second and shooting someone. Your basically aiming before you bring it up. a normal sniper player will tend to camp or stay in one spot for awhile and take 1-3 seconds to bring the scope up and aim.

That's me, an average normal sniper.

Quick scoping is taking a sniper rifle and basically using it like an assault rifle. Running around and bringing the scope up not even for a second and shooting someone. Your basically aiming before you bring it up. a normal sniper player will tend to camp or stay in one spot for awhile and take 1-3 seconds to bring the scope up and aim.

That's me, an average normal sniper.

Thanks for the answer Kosh.

I don't play online for that reason. :( I wish there were a moderated beginners/casual sandbox where kids who game 16 hours a day are not allowed or get kicked out if they do somehow get in.

There used to be a bunch of ehMacians hosting the odd game of Unreal and perhaps Quake a few years ago...what happened to that?

Not that hard to understand since users are moving away from
desktop computers, but that's just my humble opinion!