: Something to be proud of......The Canadian Charter


MacDoc
Apr 16th, 2012, 03:30 AM
The Charter proves to be Canada’s gift to world
JOHN IBBITSON
OTTAWA— From Monday's Globe and Mail
Published Sunday, Apr. 15, 2012 9:58PM EDT
Last updated Monday, Apr. 16, 2012 3:02AM EDT

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms was signed 30 years ago Tuesday. Since then, not only has it become a national bedrock, but the Charter has replaced the American Bill of Rights as the constitutional document most emulated by other nations.

“Could it be that Canada has surpassed or even supplanted the United States as a leading global exporter of constitutional law? The data suggest that the answer may be yes.” So conclude two U.S. law professors whose analysis of the declining influence of the American constitution on other nations will be published in New York University Law Review in June.

Both the Charter itself and the nation that gave birth to it serve as an example to the world. “Some countries may be especially prone to borrow from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms because they perceive themselves as sharing the same goals and values as Canadian society,” write David S. Law, who is professor of law at Washington University in St. Louis, and Mila Versteeg, who teaches law at University of Virginia.

In contrast, professors Law and Versteeg conclude that the American constitution, once the foundational document for new nations in search of a government, has fallen out of favour. It fails to protect rights, such as freedom from discrimination based on race or sex, that are considered fundamental in our time; it enshrines rights, such as the right to bear arms, that other nations don’t value; its courts increasingly interpret the American document so perversely – by claiming that it must only be applied as the founding fathers originally intended – as to render it useless as a tool for tackling modern problems.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms not only prohibits discrimination based on race or gender, it protects mobility and language rights and enshrines the presumption of innocence. It balances the rights of legislatures and courts through the “notwithstanding” clause, which gives the federal and provincial parliaments limited powers to override court decisions.

Beyond the Charter itself, the Canadian Supreme Court is considered an exemplar in balancing constitutional and legislative powers, a role the American Supreme Court lost entirely after Republicans and Democrats turned it into an ideological battleground.

“The Charter is widely admired, and so are the decisions of the Canadian court,” observes Peter Hogg, one of Canada’s foremost constitutional authorities. “And one reason is that Canada is not the United States.”

The U.S. study, which offers a meticulous comparison of how constitutions around the world reflect and influence each other, leads the authors to conclude that “other common-law countries are looking either directly or indirectly at the Charter,” as they draft and amend their own constitutions, Prof. Law explained in an interview Sunday.

“Overall, the evolution of global constitutionalism has tilted more toward the mild-mannered country to the north than its superpower neighbour to the south,” the report concludes.

Jean Chrétien was a founding father of the Charter. He, as federal justice minister, Roy Romanow, then attorney-general of Saskatchewan and Roy McMurtry, then attorney-general of Ontario, crafted the “Kitchen Accord” that Pierre Trudeau, who was determined to get a bill of rights, and the premiers, who were determined to protect their own powers, could all live with. Only Quebec refused to sign the document, though a recent poll showed Quebeckers overwhelmingly endorse the Charter.

Mr. Chrétien is saddened by the Harper government’s decision not to mark in any meaningful way the 30th anniversary of the signing of the Charter, which may be altogether too Liberal an achievement for the Conservatives’ taste.

“I would celebrate it; they don’t,” Mr. Chrétien said Sunday on Global TV’s The West Block.

Conservative premiers played a major role in the crafting of the Charter, especially Bill Davis of Ontario. As Mr. Chrétien observed, without him there might never have been a deal.

The Charter doesn’t belong to the Liberals or to Conservatives. It belongs to all Canadians. And, increasingly, to the world.

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The Charter proves to be Canada’s gift to world - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/the-charter-proves-to-be-canadas-gift-to-world/article2403254/)

Why am I NOT surprised Harper has little or no interest.
When a small c conservative the likes of Bill Davis shows up maybe then the Cons will get my respect. With Harper and cronies about....not a hope.

fjnmusic
Apr 16th, 2012, 04:02 AM
Watched Mr. Chretien talk about this in an interview this evening. Amazing that the Conservative governing party doesn't see fit to so much as acknowledge this achievement. Petty party politics notwithstanding.

MacDoc
Apr 16th, 2012, 04:49 AM
Here's why he avoids the topic- it's a threat to the "agenda" he can do nothing about.

Why this year could prove to be the Charter’s most controversial

KIRK MAKIN — JUSTICE REPORTER
From Monday's Globe and Mail
Published Sunday, Apr. 15, 2012 9:11PM EDT

Created 30 years ago amid immense political controversy, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms could easily have become an empty shell. Instead, its guarantees of liberty, equality and fairness have permeated political life and Canadian cultural consciousness.

Yet, for all the contentious issues it has settled, the Charter is poised to become more relevant than ever. A federal government with an ambitious agenda of reform is running headlong toward the one institution that has the power to send it back to the drafting board – the judiciary.

In the past year alone, the Charter has been invoked to preserve a Vancouver safe-injection clinic and to blunt the impact of a federal provision to reduce credit for time served in pretrial custody. Prostitution and assisted-suicide laws are under siege. And a wave of new challenges is surging forward, including to mandatory minimum sentences, electronic surveillance and enhanced police powers.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper may not face strong opposition in Parliament or from the provinces, but his policies are brushing up against more core legal roadblocks than any of his predecessors faced.

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Why this year could prove to be the Charter’s most controversial - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/why-this-year-could-prove-to-be-the-charters-most-controversial/article2403185/)

Harper's idea of Canada is not one I share or like.....and I'm far from alone :mad:

Even if he can load up the Senate with his lackey's - an independent and independent minded judiciary is the best set of allies the 60% of Canadians who do not agree with Harper's Victorian vision of Canada could wish for.
:clap:

Dr.G.
Apr 16th, 2012, 04:49 AM
Yes, this is truly "Something to be proud of......". The Canadian Charter has helped to make us a more free and just country. Paix, mon ami.

MacDoc
Apr 16th, 2012, 05:36 AM
to date ;)

CubaMark
Apr 16th, 2012, 09:14 AM
Thatcher's Charter Challenge: British Cabinet Considered Rejecting Trudeau's Charter Of Rights (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/16/thatcher-cabinet-trudeau-chart-of-rights_n_1427620.html?ref=canada)

The British cabinet considered denying Canada's proposal to create a Charter of Rights amid concern that Pierre Trudeau was pushing the plan without the desired backing of the provinces, declassified records show.

The once-secret deliberations of Margaret Thatcher's ministers in the early 1980s — made public by Britain's National Archives — cast new light on Trudeau's ultimately successful effort to patriate the Canadian Constitution.

(HuffingtonPost Canada (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/16/thatcher-cabinet-trudeau-chart-of-rights_n_1427620.html?ref=canada))

eMacMan
Apr 16th, 2012, 09:33 AM
I am sure if Bush and BO can completely successfully dismantle every aspect but one of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, King Harpo will have almost no problem discarding the Canadian Charter.:eek:

All that is required is sufficient time to stack the Supreme Court.

Macfury
Apr 16th, 2012, 09:35 AM
It was never an achievement. It was the plodding work of some policy wonks.

macintosh doctor
Apr 16th, 2012, 10:05 AM
sadly our charter is being used against us by Religious groups and other activists .. :( [ not to mention every person who is unhappy in there current country comes over to our country, then tries to push their views on us because we have a charter that is open to opinion of others and protects them under it..]

if we have a charter ? why do we still ask permission of the queen do have elections and other means of operations in our Country? - oh wait we are still a colony.

Macfury
Apr 16th, 2012, 10:13 AM
It doesn't even properly spell out the right to hold property.

Coriolis99
Apr 16th, 2012, 10:17 AM
Is it true that none of the rights on this charter are legally guaranteed? Supposedly it's more of a best practice type of document rather than something set in stone like the us constitution.

macintosh doctor
Apr 16th, 2012, 10:19 AM
It doesn't even properly spell out the right to hold property.

thats because any activist group can claim your property.. and then if legally disputed it will be expropriated..

two things comes to mind.. The Natives of Caledon, also Ryerson university with Sam the record man property.. Not to mention any level of Government has the right expropriate your property if they require it and pay what they will or seem fair..

MacDoc
Apr 16th, 2012, 12:25 PM
a state is sovereign - it grants privileges and for those expects responsibility - get over it. Eminent domain should be used more often.

Got a beef - take to court.

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IN the case of Mohawks - that's one sovereign state being bullied by another ......

macintosh doctor
Apr 16th, 2012, 12:36 PM
a state is sovereign - it grants privileges and for those expects responsibility - get over it. Eminent domain should be used more often.

Got a beef - take to court.

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IN the case of Mohawks - that's one sovereign state being bullied by another ......

My point exactly - this charter is too loose, open to interpretation.
Suing is not the answer - proper definition is.
Bullies are those who harass the innocent caught in the middle. (Mohawk - beat and bullied the innocent home owners, while government did nothing. ) where was the charter to protect them?

Coriolis99
Apr 16th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Mohawks are a minority. Diplomatic immunity

macintosh doctor
Apr 16th, 2012, 12:44 PM
Mohawks are a minority. Diplomatic immunity

Wow. Thats the answers for that behavior? Speechless.
So much for the charter to protect those who got caught in the middle.

Macfury
Apr 16th, 2012, 01:13 PM
a state is sovereign - it grants privileges and for those expects responsibility - get over it. Eminent domain should be used more often.

No--rights are sovereign and the states drafts documents to celebrate these rights.

I hear through the grapevine that the Conservatives will be tightening up the use of eminent domain. Get used to it!

macintosh doctor
Apr 17th, 2012, 12:27 AM
No--rights are sovereign and the states drafts documents to celebrate these rights.

I hear through the grapevine that the Conservatives will be tightening up the use of eminent domain. Get used to it!

i just remembered Quebec never signed on to it or considers it of value not to mention the courts and judges use it to interpret the charter of rights as they see fit..
So in that case I do think it needs a rewrite..