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Old Feb 26th, 2011, 01:48 PM   #31
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The Windowsification of the Mac continues.

On pre-OS X Mac apps, the convention was that it used to be possible to grab a window from any edge to move it, while resizing was performed by dragging the lower-right corner.

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Most of you reading this are probably thinking "who cares", but as a long time Mac user, it annoys me to see Apple fawning over their new Switcher and iOS friends while ditching well established Mac conventions.
So let me get this straight... Apple's moving back to the OS9 way of re-sizing windows, something that Windows stole from OS9, and as a long-time Apple user, who liked the OS9 method (that Apple is going *back* to in 10.7) you're complaining that Apple's doing a "windowsification" of it's OS?

Oh, and for those of you asking about Resume in Rosetta earlier in the thread, it's been reported today that Lion doesn't support PPC Applications at all:

10.7 Lion drops support for PowerPC applications | 9 to 5 Mac 10.7 Lion drops support for PowerPC applications | Apple Intelligence
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Old Feb 26th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #32
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Old Feb 27th, 2011, 10:14 AM   #34
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So let me get this straight... Apple's moving back to the OS9 way of re-sizing windows, something that Windows stole from OS9, and as a long-time Apple user, who liked the OS9 method (that Apple is going *back* to in 10.7) you're complaining that Apple's doing a "windowsification" of it's OS?
Sigh... No, that isn't the situation at all. But your comment illustrates the problem very well -- that the long time Mac users that remember how the Mac was represent an ever shrinking minority. The result is that people that grew up with Windows are influencing OS X GUI decisions.

Past
Mac OS (i.e. <System 7, OS 8 and OS 9):
dragging an edge causes window to move
vs.
MSWindows:
dragging an edge causes window to resize

Present
OS X - current:
can't drag edge. No functionality in most programmes at all.
vs.
MSWindows:
dragging an edge causes window to resize

Future
Lion
dragging an edge causes window to resize
vs.
MSWindows:
dragging an edge causes window to resize

So the "good" is that at least OS X window edges will do something in Lion.
The "bad" (symbolically at least) is that rather than going back to what the Mac used to do, it is copying Windows.

It is the Mac itself that is the switcher now.
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Oh, and for those of you asking about Resume in Rosetta earlier in the thread, it's been reported today that Lion doesn't support PPC Applications at all:
I was afraid of that since someone eluded to this somewhere on the net.

But that's a real bummer.

I don't mind moving forward and use applications that have been written specifically for Intel processors but there are some old PPC applications that I always have to fall back on because no equivalent "Intel" application exists.
Visual Hub is a goos example that comes to mind.
I have tried every application that was ever posted on EhMac as a replacement and none comes even close.
Luckily, I see nothing in Lion that would entice me to upgrade, trouble is that all new Macs will eventually come with Lion and those will probably not accept SL as an OS.
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I was afraid of that since someone eluded to this somewhere on the net.

But that's a real bummer.

I don't mind moving forward and use applications that have been written specifically for Intel processors but there are some old PPC applications that I always have to fall back on because no equivalent "Intel" application exists.
Visual Hub is a goos example that comes to mind.
I have tried every application that was ever posted on EhMac as a replacement and none comes even close.
Luckily, I see nothing in Lion that would entice me to upgrade, trouble is that all new Macs will eventually come with Lion and those will probably not accept SL as an OS.
VisualHub is universal, and is working just fine on 10.7.
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VisualHub is universal, and is working just fine on 10.7.
So it doesn't require Rosetta?
That's great!

I wonder which other application I use that caused Rosetta to be automatically installed on SL - is there any easy way to tell by just looking at some part of the application?
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So it doesn't require Rosetta?
That's great!

I wonder which other application I use that caused Rosetta to be automatically installed on SL - is there any easy way to tell by just looking at some part of the application?
Doesn't require Rosetta, but plenty of other stuff did/does.

I'm going to have to find a new accounting program, as Quicken 2007 is PPC only.
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So it doesn't require Rosetta?
That's great!

I wonder which other application I use that caused Rosetta to be automatically installed on SL - is there any easy way to tell by just looking at some part of the application?
Another EhMac thread just answered my question:

http://www.ehmac.ca/anything-mac/932...setta-out.html

I have Microsoft Office running under Rosetta - OK, I can spend some money and upgrade.

But what is "Database Deamon" as a PPC application?
Then there is "Startupd" which I thought were the start up items that lauch automatically at start up, that's a PPC application as well
And then there is Iomegadriver which I need for my old lot of ZIP cartridges - time I guess to go through all of those and copy them to another media.
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