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Old Mar 27th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #81
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Maybe. But the way I see it, all you have to do is make more interest on your investment than what the banks are offering and you've already won. I suppose that means shorting the stock, but there are definitely riskier ways of making a profit. The products sell consistently well and there' smote where those came from. With only 5-10% of the desktop market, there's lots of room for growth there as well. Apple's worth has been pretty consistently growing compared to a number of other companies. Taking a look at the five year market share value chart below, investing in Apple looks like a no-brainer, even at (relatively) expensive single-share prices.
Everything you just posted is basically why it is IMO not a good time to invest in Apple stock now... they are due for a fall... it may not happen now or in six months or two years, but for the price of admission one's money could be better spent elsewhere or just holding unto your cash if you are interested in taking advantage of the current position of Apple relative to where they may be 5 years form now if your funds are limited...

50 measly shares would cost $30,000 right now... I wouldn't short Apple right now nor would I buy thier shares either unless I had deep pockets, which I don't...

Like I said I think for people without deep pockets there is money and significant money to be made from Apple but it is on their way down from where they are now and not on the up side.... even if their stock went to $1k/per share that is only a 40% increase which is relatively small compared to the 2000% increase their share value has seen over the last 5 years (splits not included).
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... it is IMO not a good time to invest in Apple stock now... they are due for a fall... [there is] significant money to be made from Apple but it is on their way down from where they are now and not on the up side.... even if their stock went to $1k/per share that is only a 40% increase which is relatively small compared to the 2000% increase their share value has seen over the last 5 years (splits not included).
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Q1 What difference would it make if APPL did a 20:1 stock split? $600 per share becomes $30 per share but there are 20 times more shares outstanding. What is the impact on EPS _growth_?

Q2 What is the potential total worldwide market for tablet computers, say in the next 5 years. What market share is APPL likely to achieve. More importantly, what profit share?

Q3 What is the potential total worldwide market for smartphones, say in the next 5 years. What market share is APPL likely to achieve. More importantly, what profit share?

Hint: Q1 is irrelevant.

Think about Q2 and Q3 if you hold or are considering holding APPL.

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Old Mar 27th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #83
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i dont see apple shares as being on their way down at this point.
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Old Mar 27th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #84
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Pop quiz:

Q1 What difference would it make if APPL did a 20:1 stock split? $600 per share becomes $30 per share but there are 20 times more shares outstanding. What is the impact on EPS _growth_?

Q2 What is the potential total worldwide market for tablet computers, say in the next 5 years. What market share is APPL likely to achieve. More importantly, what profit share?

Q3 What is the potential total worldwide market for smartphones, say in the next 5 years. What market share is APPL likely to achieve. More importantly, what profit share?

Hint: Q1 is irrelevant.

Think about Q2 and Q3 if you hold or are considering holding APPL.

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I'm not not at the current price, I thought I had made that clear. If it splits... maybe.

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What difference does it make if you buy ten shares at $60 a share or one share at $600 a share? If the Company is trending upward, which a person would have to be blind not to see, then your profitability as a shareholder is exactly the same. Only difference is you can't sell off only some of your shares.
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i dont see apple shares as being on their way down at this point.
Nor do I but it takes a very significant investment at this point to see a significant return. IMO the "easy money" on the upside from investing in Apple is gone for the small investor at least until there is a split that significantly reduces the cost.
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What difference does it make if you buy ten shares at $60 a share or one share at $600 a share? If the Company is trending upward, which a person would have to be blind not to see, then your profitability as a shareholder is exactly the same. Only difference is you can't sell off only some of your shares.
Um the difference of multiples, it isn't like Apple is the only act in town, there are other investment opportunities that are trending upward as well where you can buy many multiple shares for the same amount of money than you could for those couple of Apple shares.

If you have the cash go buy Apple but it is too rich for my blood and I won't be holding it again in my portfolio any time soon.
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I'm not not at the current price, I thought I had made that clear. If it splits... maybe.
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Nor do I but it takes a very significant investment at this point to see a significant return. IMO the "easy money" on the upside from investing in Apple is gone for the small investor at least until there is a split that significantly reduces the cost.
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Um the difference of multiples, it isn't like Apple is the only act in town, there are other investment opportunities that are trending upward as well where you can buy many multiple shares for the same amount of money than you could for those couple of Apple shares.

If you have the cash go buy Apple but it is too rich for my blood and I won't be holding it again in my portfolio any time soon.
Buzzt. Sorry you've failed the quiz because you clearly have no understanding of the effect of a stock split. The short answer is, It has NO effect. By happenstance, Google came up with an article on Apple and a split:

Will Apple's Stock Split? - Business - Motley Fool - msnbc.com
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It never ceases to amaze me, but when I'm meeting someone new and the topic of what I do for a living comes up, there's one question I get more than any other: "So, will Apple split?" To me, it's a largely insignificant question, and Tim Cook has signaled that there is "very little support" from the company's board to split the stock.
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Buzzt. Sorry you've failed the quiz because you clearly have no understanding of the effect of a stock split. The short answer is, It has NO effect. By happenstance, Google came up with an article on Apple and a split:

Will Apple's Stock Split? - Business - Motley Fool - msnbc.com


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Uhh what you seem to fail to understand is that a stock split does indeed mean nothing to an existing shareholder... on this we can definitely agree... BUT for new stock buyers it makes a difference... read your own link again...

I didn't take your stupid f**king quiz in the first place BTW...

So. Riddle me this? Why do corporations perform stock splits? Let's see if you can pass?

As I have said ALL ALONG sure if you have the cash buy Apple now but if you don't there are better upside opportunities for the small investor.

I have heard the same BS as you and your Motley Fool (emphasis on fool) reference before,,, ohhh about12 years ago and watched other peeps portfolios get trounced when the inevitable fall comes...

Stocks rise slowly but fall quickly, it is just a simple fact... so keep buying your Apple shares on their way up by all means as they soar into the stratosphere, if you already have them your risk is mitigated, for the new buyer of Apple shares their risk in not the same as those who already have gains to "keep them in the game" when things get rough...

I just hope not too many other people get suckered into the misbegotten rhetoric you are spreading for new small investors.

Seems you think we all have the deep pockets of institutions... Do you happen to work for or are a "financial planner" i.e. a stock/mutual fund pusher? You sure talk like one and provide the same kind of references....

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Uhh what you seem to fail to understand is that a stock split does indeed mean nothing to an existing shareholders... on this we can definitely agree... BUT for new stock buyers it makes a difference... read your own link again...

I didn't take your stupid f**king quiz in the first place BTW...

So. Riddle me this? Why do corporations perform stock splits? Let's see if you can pass?

As I have said ALL ALONG sure if you have the cash buy Apple now but if you don't there are better upside opportunities for the small investor.

I have heard the same BS as you and your Motley Fool (emphasis on fool) reference before,,, ohhh about12 years ago and watched other peeps portfolios get trounced when the inevitable fall comes...

Stocks rise slowly but fall quickly, it is just a simple fact... so keep buying your Apple shares on their way up by all means as they soar into the stratosphere, if you already have them your risk is mitigated, for the new buyer of Apple shares their risk in not the same as those who already have gains to "keep them in the game" when things get rough...

I just hope not too many other people get suckered into the misbegotten rhetoric you are spreading for new small investors.

Seems you think we all have the deep pockets of institutions... Do you happen to work for one or are a "financial planner" i.e. a stock/mutual fund pusher? You sure talk like one and provide the same kind of references....
Ah Screecher, that's what I love about you: you're aggressively ignorant. How's that new Mac Pro working out for you?

A) There used to be a good reason for stock splits when there was a punishing extra commission for split lots (anything but a multiple of 100). Nowadays with low fixed commissions for online trading that really doesn't matter.

B) Let's hear some examples of companies with better upside potential than Apple. Compare those against the upside possibilities in the smartphone and tablet markets. C'mon Screecher. Even just one company with momentum in a market that has anywhere near the growth potential.

C) $10,000 is a small investment, these days; it gets you 15 shares of APPL. If they split 20:1, it would make no difference. You would still be a "small investor" buying $10,000 worth of anything regardless of the number of shares that gets you. Consider the classic example, Berkshire Hathaway currently trading at $122,659 per share. Yesterday, the high-low price range was nearly $1,000! which sounds like a lot until you look at the percentage--less than 1%.

Were you trying to insult me by calling me a "stock/mutual fund pusher"? In a thread about Apple shares, that's pretty weak.

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