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Old Sep 5th, 2009, 06:26 PM   #1
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Joining the dark side! Windows user going Mac

Hey everyone,

I wouldn't say that I am a Windows fan boy or anything, but for me it's always been BlackBerry & Vista, together forever! While I don't plan on returning to the iPhone any time soon, I have decided that I am going to buy a Mac Book Pro tomorrow!

This is really sort of a random thing for me as I've never really been interested in Macs. But, my friend was showing me his (3 year old) Macbook (not pro) and I just decided I want a new, Pro one. I've used macs a couple of times (literally maybe 3) and the operating system is totally foreign to me. But I have heard from so many people that once you have a Mac, you'll never ever go back to Windows.

I am really excited for no viruses... hopefully no freezing or paging, the amazing webcam (right now I'm typing on a brand new Toshiba laptop and the camera SUCKS!)

I have decided to buy a 13 inch, 4GB Ram Macbook Pro, which taxes in comes to around $2000.00

I was wondering if you guys could bear with my ignorance to the Mac world and help me out with a few questions:

1) What are some of the main advantages of the new Snow Leopard over it's predecessor?

2) Will Snow Leopard come standard on my Macbook if I buy it tomorrow?

3) Apple store question: This might sound dumb but, can you "hagle"? By that I dont mean lowering the price of the Macbook, but I mean, can I say "Okay, I'll buy this if you throw in a free wireless mouse". Is that normal or would that never happen?

4) Do Macbooks ever get hot?

5) What other things do you recommend I buy? Such as iLife, iMovie etc (does iMovie come with it?) I NEED Microsoft Office so I will be buying that.

6) Do you have any tips or anything from a full-out Windows user migrating to Mac?

7) I'm basically paying 500$ more for the extra 2GB of ram (4GB vs 2GB). Is this worth it? Will I ever experience slowness at all with 4GB?

Thanks!
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Old Sep 5th, 2009, 07:34 PM   #2
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1) Lots of under-the-hood refinements that really do make an already fast system faster. Reduces disk space used by OS dramatically. Lots of little tweaks to the user experience that, while not all that significant on their own, add up to a major productivity boost. On the downside: make sure your printer has 64-bit support or you'll find it works partially (or not at all) in some software, at least until updated drivers exist. HP in particular seems to have dropped the ball in this area.

2) If you order from apple.ca it will probably be preinstalled; if a retailer has new stock it'll be preinstalled or provided with a toss-in upgrade DVD; if a retailer has old stock you'll need to use the up-to-date program and pay a small fee.

3) I doubt it at the Apple Store, and it would probably be not nice to try this at an independent Mac store as margins are razor-thin for the vendor on Apple gear.

4) Like any laptop, Macbooks have to dissipate heat. Current ones seem to only get warm, they're quite well engineered. I notice the hottest area is generally near the RAM expansion area on my 2007 17" MBP.

5) iMovie is a part of iLife (along with GarageBand, iPhoto, iDVD, and iWeb) which is included free with all new Macs. iWork is a separate purchase if you want it, just like Office. Out of the box you'll find you can do a lot more without extra software than on any Windows PC. This even extends to the ability to create and annotate PDFs.

6) Take your time and learn your way around; don't let anyone convince you to buy or install a ton of little add-on utilities (especially those designed to replicate Windows-esque behaviour) until you've familiarized yourself with the Apple way of doing things. When I switched there were a few things that annoyed me, but as I gave it some thought I could usually see why Apple chose to do something a certain way. If I still couldn't manage, I added a shareware or freebie utility. That said, my utility count has dropped significantly the longer I've had a Mac.

7) Buy the RAM upgrade from somebody other than Apple. For what you get, Macs are actually a good value--but their RAM prices are definitely not. I purchased Kingston RAM, there are other equally suitable (and high-quality) brands out there. Just be sure to order memory tested and approved for your computer. You'll find 4 GB to be more than adequate for anything you're likely to throw at your Macbook. That's all I've got in my MBP and my 2009 iMac, and I do extensive graphic, audio, and video work. OS X seems to manage its resources extremely well compared to Windows and I've never seen any of my Macs apart from the first Mini show any signs of bogging down under load.

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Old Sep 5th, 2009, 07:39 PM   #3
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The only other thing I'd add, is that you're actually leaving the Dark Side.

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Old Sep 5th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #4
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7) I'm basically paying 500$ more for the extra 2GB of ram (4GB vs 2GB). Is this worth it? Will I ever experience slowness at all with 4GB?
The upgrade from 2GB to 4GB of RAM is $120... not $500!?

Where are you getting your numbers from?
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The upgrade from 2GB to 4GB of RAM is $120... not $500!?

Where are you getting your numbers from?
Now that you mention it, I think he's actually got the price for an upgraded CPU as well ($1749 instead of $1399). Taxes included, that might approximate his estimate. You're right, the Apple RAM upgrade on its own is almost fair market pricing!
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Now that you mention it, I think he's actually got the price for an upgraded CPU as well ($1749 instead of $1399). Taxes included, that might approximate his estimate. You're right, the Apple RAM upgrade on its own is almost fair market pricing!
Yea... I'm assuming the quoted price is for the 2.53GHz processor.
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Old Sep 5th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #7
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upgraded 2.53 and 250GB drive as opposed to the 160 in the 1399

for most people i would suggest sticking with the 1399 model and spending the $120 to upgrade only the ram. the 1749 model is getting VERY close to the 1999 model in price, but with a much smaller, lower res screen.i find that model is in sort of a no mans land as far as price/performance is concerned
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for most people i would suggest sticking with the 1399 model and spending the $120 to upgrade only the ram.
Exactly what I did (have)... And I don't regret it for a minute... It's perfect!
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Old Sep 5th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #9
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I've had my old school G4 QuickSilver Mac desktop for about 1.5 yrs and I love it. I had 15 yrs of PCs and their buggy software. I got my Mac for free, so I dont care if it's not the latest and the greatest, it does what I want it to do.

I bet you will love your new Mac almost instantly. It's not that hard to get used to, it's actually quite intuitive and things make a lot of sense once you see how it works. No more BSOD, no more anti virus programs, no strange crashes etc. It all just works, and it works really well.

There is Office for Mac which is pretty much the same as MS Office so maybe you dont need to buy Gates' version.

I cant answer any of your other questions but I can tell you once you go Mac you never go back!

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Many good answers here, so I will add something off beat.
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