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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #21
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Actually it is against the law to show any movies in class that we not cleared by the distributor for mass use.
So you're saying that all the pubs, bars and restaurants that have large video screens where one can watch "whatever" with all the other patrons is illegal?
I don't see anyone cracking down on them.

And back to the original post by macgenius24 - I can see where it is illegal the way he approaches it - making a copy and giving it to someone else.
What about if he only played the original and streamed that to the second location?
Would that now make it legal (forgetting the mass use for a minute)?

And what about the financial compensation? Doesn't that play a large part of what's legal and what is not in Canada?
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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 01:12 AM   #22
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Does anyone know what is the latest version of MTR?
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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 02:24 AM   #23
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So you're saying that all the pubs, bars and restaurants that have large video screens where one can watch "whatever" with all the other patrons is illegal?
I don't see anyone cracking down on them.

And back to the original post by macgenius24 - I can see where it is illegal the way he approaches it - making a copy and giving it to someone else.
What about if he only played the original and streamed that to the second location?
Would that now make it legal (forgetting the mass use for a minute)?

And what about the financial compensation? Doesn't that play a large part of what's legal and what is not in Canada?
No one ever said that the copyright laws made sense. I do know that for special events bars pay a head tax to show certain things like UFC. For every person in their capacity they pay an extra 5 bucks or thereabouts.
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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 05:24 AM   #24
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So you're saying that all the pubs, bars and restaurants that have large video screens where one can watch "whatever" with all the other patrons is illegal?
I'm afraid I haven't been in a bar/pub/restaurant where the big screen TVs are playing commercial DVDs. I've been in such establishments on three continents and scores of cities, but somehow I missed the ones that show commercial DVDs. Weird.

But yes, that's illegal.*

*In the US, Canada and anyplace else that subscribes to the Berne conventions. China and Italy, as examples, might be more ... um, "flexible" on that point.

But don't take my word for it -- look on the back of any DVD you own. Most of my DVDs are US, and they all have a prohibition that reads "Federal law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized reproduction, distribution or exhibition etc. ... licensed for private home exhibition only."
(emphasis mine)

My Canadian DVDs have pleasingly less verbiage on this subject, but also say "This product is authorised for private use only. Unless expressly authorised in writing (blah blah blah) ... exhibition (et al see above) ... is strictly prohibited."
(again, emphasis mine)

The key concepts here are "private home use" and "unauthorised exhibition" (ie public viewings). In plain English, inviting a few friends over to your home to watch the movie together is not a "public" viewing (unless you charge admission), but showing it in a public setting (like a school) isn't legal unless it's the school's own copy (as mentioned in my previous post, libraries/institutions have slightly different restrictions).

I'm neither a lawyer nor a Canadian copyright expert, but this seems pretty clear to me.

I once taught a film course at my local university, and was strictly forbidden from using any of my own (extensive) DVD collection for legal reasons. I had to pick from the school's pathetic collection or otherwise obtain permission from the copyright holders. Luckily, I had a TA who could do that legwork for me, as the films I wanted to show were foreign/arty/obscure/terrible and thus not generally found in a school library's video collection.
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Does anyone know what is the latest version of MTR?
The latest version available is 2.6.6 and is available here:

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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 08:15 AM   #26
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Actually, there's a 3.0r14 version out there, too.
Search for "mactheripper 3.0 14" and you'll see it in the Torrent results.
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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 08:57 AM   #27
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So you're saying that all the pubs, bars and restaurants that have large video screens where one can watch "whatever" with all the other patrons is illegal?
I don't see anyone cracking down on them.
On top of paying single event fees to show special events, pubs, bars and restaurants have a MUCH higher commercial monthly cable/satellite bill than the average homeowner that allows for public broadcasting.
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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM   #28
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Actually, there's a 3.0r14 version out there, too.
Search for "mactheripper 3.0 14" and you'll see it in the Torrent results.
I believe that the later, more advanced version of MTR is for *contributing* donors only. Stealing it via torrents is just likely to make the dev cease development, so I would discourage your suggestion.
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I believe that the later, more advanced version of MTR is for *contributing* donors only. Stealing it via torrents is just likely to make the dev cease development, so I would discourage your suggestion.
MTR 3.0 has been listed as in beta since April 2006. The dev, while making a great app, has made it rather hard for newbies to adopt his application.

To appease his chas_mness, register an account here and follow the instructions to donate. You *might* even get a response.

I never suggested anyone steal it via torrents, merely that you can see it in the results. You get on quite the rampage here, don't you?

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Old Feb 20th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #30
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The latest version available is 2.6.6 and is available here:

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Oddly enough, I have MTR 3.0. You need to navigate their system and make a contribution if you want this version. The developers are a bit paranoid after being pursued by ravening lawyers. Getting 3.0 is probably not worth the effort if 2.6.6 is working OK for you, but it does overcome some of the sneaky traps you will encounter with newer discs.
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