More rotten fruit rippng off OS X

Chealion · Oct 13th, 2004, 01:04 AM

Macaholic - I don't see what is wrong with these products. Apple can't sue them, as they aren't violating anything. They just make an emulator.

However, for CherryOS, I am holding judgement as we still don't know if it actually legit and what speed it really is.

PearPC is just slow and is mostly a proof of concept. It was the first time someone could emulate a PPC on a i486 processor.

I think such an opportunity will actually bring more Mac converts. Why? Because just like MP3s, people will try and they will buy. Those who don't buy, weren't going to buy in the first place.

kloan · Oct 13th, 2004, 01:04 AM

Why? There's absolutely nothing wrong with emulators running another OS. What do you think Virtual PC is?

No one's ripping off anyone here.. in fact, I think it's pretty dam cool people are actually taking the time to develop an emulator that can run OS X.

Macaholic · Oct 13th, 2004, 01:29 AM

Folks, the difference is that, with VirtualPC, Microsoft gets their license , and Microsoft is BUILT upon software licensing. Nobody's out anything in that scenario.

Now someday, you'll have guys who use PCs (meaning NO MONEY to Apple) paying a pittance of US$129.00 to Apple for Mac OS X (or, more probably grab it off P2P) that Apple surely sells at a loss-leader because they make their money on HARDWARE REVENUES.

And let's not talk about their awesome Mac-only software running on PCs. iLife? FINAL CUT PRO or Logic Pro (there would be a lot of composer dudes glad to see that one someday).

It's hardware revenues that fuels ALL the innovation at Apple. Give people no reason to buy a Macintosh computer because they can run OS X and all the apps on their PCs, and Apple's revenues will get so bad we'll wish for the good old days of Spindler and Amelio -- iPod or not (which will not be a slam-dunk forever).

It's a long way from these emulators being feasible, but if I were jobs, I'd be seeing it as a slippery slope.

kloan · Oct 13th, 2004, 02:05 AM

Well, I just don't see it happening. I think it'll be too slow to ever use it in that way. It takes a ton of processing to run iPhoto, etc.. and I doubt they can properly emulate the Mac hardware. For the people that would be running it from Windows, are still running it from Windows.. and I think it's safe to assume it'll be as stable as it always is.. (hint, hint). Then there's the Linux version, sure there will be people to use it on the Linux machines.. but those are the same people who prefer PC hardware and Linux anyway, and wouldn't consider buying a Mac.

The average consumer isn't savvy enough, I don't think, to install and run emulators on their computer, certainly not to the point just so that they could run Mac software.. they're probably happy with their PC and Windows configuration.. there are still a ton of people who hate OS X.

Personally, I love the look of Macs anyway, so I wouldn't just be buying the hardware for the OS, the hardware itself is great.

I think it's kinda cool to be able to emulate OS X on an Xbox, and that's where I'd go with it.. the Xbox is already a great platform for multimedia, and emulating OS X would just be for s**ts and giggles. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Macaholic · Oct 13th, 2004, 02:16 AM

Some good points -- but I'd still shut them down if there was a leg to do it with.

kloan · Oct 13th, 2004, 02:19 AM

fair 'nuf [img]smile.gif[/img]

ragging dragons · Oct 13th, 2004, 06:32 AM

after reading most of the above links I actually think it is a good idea.

"I think such an opportunity will actually bring more Mac converts. Why? Because just like MP3s, people will try and they will buy. Those who don't buy, weren't going to buy in the first place."
yeah or put it this way for someone who likes to be clever enough.. winxp pro on a high-end computer for most games/movies then opening into mac osX emulator to check email..go on internet..etc

a nice hybrid computer or what? [img]smile.gif[/img]

raggingdragon...

kps · Oct 13th, 2004, 08:07 AM

VPC emulates PC hardware and comes with a licensed copy of Windows, MS does not make hardware and got paid for the software in years when it didn't own VPC, so no issues there.

Apple makes the hardware and the software. This emulator will have to also emulate the Apple firmware to boot the OS. By doing so, it will infringe on Apple's copyright of said firmware.

Macaholic will probably get his wish or this is hoaxware.

Macaholic · Oct 13th, 2004, 08:20 AM

That's right.

Bewaaaare the bootwaaare.....

dibenga · Oct 13th, 2004, 08:22 AM

Damb, I got real excited thinking this was a full install for the PC, meaning no emulation but a full port of OSX.

They are pretty vague about what machines it can run on, I couldn't find a 'minimum spec' anywhere on the cherry site..

I'll keep an eye for it in the meantime.
_F

Oct 13th, 2004, 01:04 AM	#1
Chealion Public Servant Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Calgary Posts: 6,918	Macaholic - I don't see what is wrong with these products. Apple can't sue them, as they aren't violating anything. They just make an emulator. However, for CherryOS, I am holding judgement as we still don't know if it actually legit and what speed it really is. PearPC is just slow and is mostly a proof of concept. It was the first time someone could emulate a PPC on a i486 processor. I think such an opportunity will actually bring more Mac converts. Why? Because just like MP3s, people will try and they will buy. Those who don't buy, weren't going to buy in the first place. __________________ Chealion the one, the only, and pleased to be at your service. =) Forum Rules \| Classifieds Rules I still remember Macnutt.

Oct 13th, 2004, 01:29 AM	#3
Macaholic Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,754	Folks, the difference is that, with VirtualPC, Microsoft gets their license , and Microsoft is BUILT upon software licensing. Nobody's out anything in that scenario. Now someday, you'll have guys who use PCs (meaning NO MONEY to Apple) paying a pittance of US$129.00 to Apple for Mac OS X (or, more probably grab it off P2P) that Apple surely sells at a loss-leader because they make their money on HARDWARE REVENUES. And let's not talk about their awesome Mac-only software running on PCs. iLife? FINAL CUT PRO or Logic Pro (there would be a lot of composer dudes glad to see that one someday). It's hardware revenues that fuels ALL the innovation at Apple. Give people no reason to buy a Macintosh computer because they can run OS X and all the apps on their PCs, and Apple's revenues will get so bad we'll wish for the good old days of Spindler and Amelio -- iPod or not (which will not be a slam-dunk forever). It's a long way from these emulators being feasible, but if I were jobs, I'd be seeing it as a slippery slope. __________________ 32GB iPad WiFi. 15" MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/6GB/200GB/GeForce 8600M GT 256MB GPU/DL-DVDRW/24" BenQ LCD. MacBook 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/2GB/200GB/DL-DVDRW >3TB of FW drives, 16GB iPod Touch, 8GB 5th gen Nano, Canon HV20 HD-DV cam, Kodak digicam, Canon scanner, Canon iP5400 printer, Jailbroken 8GB iPhone 3G. In memoriam: my Sawtooth "Frankenmac" with dual 1.3GHz G4/2GB/360GB striped RAID/DVDRW/ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

Oct 13th, 2004, 02:16 AM	#5
Macaholic Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,754	Some good points -- but I'd still shut them down if there was a leg to do it with. __________________ 32GB iPad WiFi. 15" MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/6GB/200GB/GeForce 8600M GT 256MB GPU/DL-DVDRW/24" BenQ LCD. MacBook 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/2GB/200GB/DL-DVDRW >3TB of FW drives, 16GB iPod Touch, 8GB 5th gen Nano, Canon HV20 HD-DV cam, Kodak digicam, Canon scanner, Canon iP5400 printer, Jailbroken 8GB iPhone 3G. In memoriam: my Sawtooth "Frankenmac" with dual 1.3GHz G4/2GB/360GB striped RAID/DVDRW/ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

Oct 13th, 2004, 08:07 AM	#8
kps Throttle Pusher Join Date: May 2003 Location: YTO Posts: 4,082	VPC emulates PC hardware and comes with a licensed copy of Windows, MS does not make hardware and got paid for the software in years when it didn't own VPC, so no issues there. Apple makes the hardware and the software. This emulator will have to also emulate the Apple firmware to boot the OS. By doing so, it will infringe on Apple's copyright of said firmware. Macaholic will probably get his wish or this is hoaxware. __________________ "We've taken all the fun out of childhood just in the interest of saving a few lives." --G. Carlin Macbook Pro Intel 2.66GHz Core i7, 8GHz RAM, OS X 10.6.4 PowerMac G5, 2.0GHz, 2.5GB RAM. OS X 10.5.3 PowerMac G4, 1.2 GHz 768MB RAM OS X 10.4.x iPhone 3G

Oct 13th, 2004, 08:20 AM	#9
Macaholic Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,754	That's right. Bewaaaare the bootwaaare..... __________________ 32GB iPad WiFi. 15" MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/6GB/200GB/GeForce 8600M GT 256MB GPU/DL-DVDRW/24" BenQ LCD. MacBook 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/2GB/200GB/DL-DVDRW >3TB of FW drives, 16GB iPod Touch, 8GB 5th gen Nano, Canon HV20 HD-DV cam, Kodak digicam, Canon scanner, Canon iP5400 printer, Jailbroken 8GB iPhone 3G. In memoriam: my Sawtooth "Frankenmac" with dual 1.3GHz G4/2GB/360GB striped RAID/DVDRW/ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

Oct 13th, 2004, 01:04 AM	#2
kloan Honourable Citizen Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,633	Why? There's absolutely nothing wrong with emulators running another OS. What do you think Virtual PC is? No one's ripping off anyone here.. in fact, I think it's pretty dam cool people are actually taking the time to develop an emulator that can run OS X.

Oct 13th, 2004, 02:05 AM	#4
kloan Honourable Citizen Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,633	Well, I just don't see it happening. I think it'll be too slow to ever use it in that way. It takes a ton of processing to run iPhoto, etc.. and I doubt they can properly emulate the Mac hardware. For the people that would be running it from Windows, are still running it from Windows.. and I think it's safe to assume it'll be as stable as it always is.. (hint, hint). Then there's the Linux version, sure there will be people to use it on the Linux machines.. but those are the same people who prefer PC hardware and Linux anyway, and wouldn't consider buying a Mac. The average consumer isn't savvy enough, I don't think, to install and run emulators on their computer, certainly not to the point just so that they could run Mac software.. they're probably happy with their PC and Windows configuration.. there are still a ton of people who hate OS X. Personally, I love the look of Macs anyway, so I wouldn't just be buying the hardware for the OS, the hardware itself is great. I think it's kinda cool to be able to emulate OS X on an Xbox, and that's where I'd go with it.. the Xbox is already a great platform for multimedia, and emulating OS X would just be for s**ts and giggles. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oct 13th, 2004, 02:19 AM	#6
kloan Honourable Citizen Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,633	fair 'nuf [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oct 13th, 2004, 06:32 AM	#7
ragging dragons Full Citizen Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: old chelsea, quebec Posts: 145	after reading most of the above links I actually think it is a good idea. "I think such an opportunity will actually bring more Mac converts. Why? Because just like MP3s, people will try and they will buy. Those who don't buy, weren't going to buy in the first place." yeah or put it this way for someone who likes to be clever enough.. winxp pro on a high-end computer for most games/movies then opening into mac osX emulator to check email..go on internet..etc a nice hybrid computer or what? [img]smile.gif[/img] raggingdragon...

Oct 13th, 2004, 08:22 AM	#10
dibenga Full Citizen Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 523	Damb, I got real excited thinking this was a full install for the PC, meaning no emulation but a full port of OSX. They are pretty vague about what machines it can run on, I couldn't find a 'minimum spec' anywhere on the cherry site.. I'll keep an eye for it in the meantime. _F

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