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Old Nov 6th, 2008, 10:57 PM   #1
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Hey everyone, im new to mac and i'm kinda in a pickle. I accidently deleted my disk Utility the other day and i cant find my Leopard installation disk. Is there any place online I can download it from? I borrowed a friends Tiger instal disk and tried to open it with pacifist, but it wouldnt let me open it.
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Hmmm ...

Ideally someone would PM you and offer to send it (post it on an iDisk, etc).

Are you comfortable with the Terminal (Command Line; DOS prompt, etc)? You can copy Disk Utility from the Install CD/DVD that way.

I would keep this window VERY HANDY or else print it out (better). Read it first, and ask questions before you start. So, here goes:

The "Command" key is often referred, incorrectly, as the "Apple" key. It's marked with a cloverleaf and if it's a genuine Apple keyboard, also an Apple icon. You find it on either side of the space bar. I use it a lot, you may as well start.

Warning: type stuff EXACTLY. Uppercase and lowercase matters; spaces matter, characters matter. Damage can result from misuse of the Terminal, because it WILL do what you say, even if it's self-destructive. A perfect slave, or robot, if you prefer.

Also, I will display the whole line from the Terminal output, for clarity, but you just have to type the stuff after the $ character.

So ... just an example ... don't do this just yet:
Commands are in bold, like this:
cd
Type them exactly as you see them, and only the command.
Key presses will be like this:
<return>
... meaning hit the Return key.
Commands in bold within brackets means enter the appropriate thing based on the description, without the brackets. Eg:
[my username]
I would type
Mac1

Or:
[capital of Ontario]
we both would type:
Toronto

Got it?

Launch the Terminal (Terminal.app) found in /Applications/Utilties/
Insert the Installation disk.
In the Finder, go to Go: Computer
Drag the icon for the Installer disk to the Terminal window. When you see a little + sign let go of the mouse button. It's pathname will display.

Note: this is a neat little feature of the OSX Terminal, not found on UNIX or Linux versions of these same shells. It's helpful for those new to the UNIX Command Line since it eliminates one source of error, especially amongst bad typists.

You should see something like this (may be a little different, since I'm using a different install disk than you, but should be more or less the same):
bash-3.2$ /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD
Copy the pathname (Highlight it by dragging, and use File:Copy or the key combination Command-C) and past it into a Sticky Note or TextEdit document, for reference. Then hit <return> in the Terminal.
Now, do the same for your Users/Shared directory.
You should see something like this in the Terminal:
bash-3.2$ /Users/Shared
Copy that to your reference document as well, and hit <return> , again in the Terminal.
Easy, right?

Now, enter your pathname to the Install disk with the cd command (as always, in my examples, I use my pathname but yours will differ; use yours):
bash-3.2$ cd /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD <return>
Not much should apparently happen; you should get the prompt again on a new line:
bash-3.2$
enter:
ls <return>
Now we should be somewhere. You will find a list of the directories on the CD. I get:
bash-3.2$ ls
Applications dev
DVD or CD Sharing Setup.mpkg etc
Install Mac OS X.app mach_kernel
Instructions.localized private
Library sbin
Optional Installs.localized tmp
System usr
Volumes var
bin
on the Leopard Retail DVD.

The reason we're doing all this is, you have a different disk than I do. So, these directories may not be the same path for you. This exercise with changing directories and listing their contents will help you learn how to poke around the install disk you have, in case Disk Utility is not where I expect it to be. Hopefully, you won't have to, but there you go, you are learning how.

We want to go to the Utilities directory that hopefully houses Disk Utility, on whatever disk you have there, eventually. So, we Change Directories again, only include the Applications directory. Hit <return> and enter:
cd /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD/Applications <return>
then: ls <return>
Where we get a List of what's in the Applications directory. Hopefully, there's a Utilities directory in there. On mine, there is.
More of the same:
cd /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD/Applications/Utilities <return>
then:
ls
... where I find the following output:

bash-3.2$ ls
Disk Utility.app Startup Disk.app
Firmware Password Utility.app System Profiler.app
Network Utility.app Terminal.app
RAID Utility.app VoiceOver Utility.app
Reset Password.app
bash-3.2$

Jackpot! There is Disk Utility. Hopefully yours is there too.
Now, pause for a moment. We know the pathname to Disk Utility. We know the pathname to your Users/Shared folder (which I had you copy).
So, before we go further, a word about the correct path and command syntax.
It's command space pathname space pathname
There *should* be no spaces in the pathname, because UNIX sees that as a new command. As we both know, there are spaces in the pathname to the Mac OS Install CD/DVD. Notice the forward slash? That tells the Terminal to ignore the space in the pathname and treat it as if it were not there. So, to the terminal Mac\ OS\ X is treated as if it were MacOSX which is OK. If we were to try Mac OS X either some unwanted, and potentially dangerous command would be executed, or it would fail because it's not correctly written. Even though the last is most likely, we don't want to risk the first.

So, we have the pathname to the Disk Utility app. We have the pathname to your Shared folder. We know the commands, and because you are using Leopard, we don't have to worry that Disk Utility is really not a single application, but a directory (folder), and not an file.

That would be a problem with earlier versions of Mac OSX and the Terminal; in Tiger (10.4) the -R command won't work properly and will miss some parts of the directory.

So, here goes ... remember to copy the commands exactly but use your pathnames to Disk Utility, and remember the \ because Disk Utility is two words ...
We want to copy the directory found at this directory to this other directory.

Enter the command cp -R and the two pathnames; remember the space after $ and between each command and path, and remember the backslash in Disk Utility:
bash-3.2$ cp -R /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD/Applications/Utilities/Disk\ Utility.app /Users/Shared

There should be some thrashing with the CD drive, and a copy of Disk Utility will appear in your Shared folder. Drag it to your Utilities folder on the Hard Drive, and quit the Terminal.

Note that this might not be a perfect solution; since there may be differences between the Tiger and Leopard version of Disk Utility (I'm not positive either way).

But, it will work well enough for you to go about your business until you get a 10.5x version. And if you do find a Leopard Install DVD, you now know how to get that copy.

Last edited by gordguide; Nov 7th, 2008 at 02:10 AM.
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Old Nov 7th, 2008, 10:58 AM   #3
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Hmmm ...

Ideally someone would PM you and offer to send it (post it on an iDisk, etc).

Are you comfortable with the Terminal (Command Line; DOS prompt, etc)? You can copy Disk Utility from the Install CD/DVD that way.

I would keep this window VERY HANDY or else print it out (better). Read it first, and ask questions before you start. So, here goes:

The "Command" key is often referred, incorrectly, as the "Apple" key. It's marked with a cloverleaf and if it's a genuine Apple keyboard, also an Apple icon. You find it on either side of the space bar. I use it a lot, you may as well start.

Warning: type stuff EXACTLY. Uppercase and lowercase matters; spaces matter, characters matter. Damage can result from misuse of the Terminal, because it WILL do what you say, even if it's self-destructive. A perfect slave, or robot, if you prefer.

Also, I will display the whole line from the Terminal output, for clarity, but you just have to type the stuff after the $ character.

So ... just an example ... don't do this just yet:
Commands are in bold, like this:
cd
Type them exactly as you see them, and only the command.
Key presses will be like this:
<return>
... meaning hit the Return key.
Commands in bold within brackets means enter the appropriate thing based on the description, without the brackets. Eg:
[my username]
I would type
Mac1

Or:
[capital of Ontario]
we both would type:
Toronto

Got it?

Launch the Terminal (Terminal.app) found in /Applications/Utilties/
Insert the Installation disk.
In the Finder, go to Go: Computer
Drag the icon for the Installer disk to the Terminal window. When you see a little + sign let go of the mouse button. It's pathname will display.

Note: this is a neat little feature of the OSX Terminal, not found on UNIX or Linux versions of these same shells. It's helpful for those new to the UNIX Command Line since it eliminates one source of error, especially amongst bad typists.

You should see something like this (may be a little different, since I'm using a different install disk than you, but should be more or less the same):
bash-3.2$ /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD
Copy the pathname (Highlight it by dragging, and use File:Copy or the key combination Command-C) and past it into a Sticky Note or TextEdit document, for reference. Then hit <return> in the Terminal.
Now, do the same for your Users/Shared directory.
You should see something like this in the Terminal:
bash-3.2$ /Users/Shared
Copy that to your reference document as well, and hit <return> , again in the Terminal.
Easy, right?

Now, enter your pathname to the Install disk with the cd command (as always, in my examples, I use my pathname but yours will differ; use yours):
bash-3.2$ cd /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD <return>
Not much should apparently happen; you should get the prompt again on a new line:
bash-3.2$
enter:
ls <return>
Now we should be somewhere. You will find a list of the directories on the CD. I get:
bash-3.2$ ls
Applications dev
DVD or CD Sharing Setup.mpkg etc
Install Mac OS X.app mach_kernel
Instructions.localized private
Library sbin
Optional Installs.localized tmp
System usr
Volumes var
bin
on the Leopard Retail DVD.

The reason we're doing all this is, you have a different disk than I do. So, these directories may not be the same path for you. This exercise with changing directories and listing their contents will help you learn how to poke around the install disk you have, in case Disk Utility is not where I expect it to be. Hopefully, you won't have to, but there you go, you are learning how.

We want to go to the Utilities directory that hopefully houses Disk Utility, on whatever disk you have there, eventually. So, we Change Directories again, only include the Applications directory. Hit <return> and enter:
cd /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD/Applications <return>
then: ls <return>
Where we get a List of what's in the Applications directory. Hopefully, there's a Utilities directory in there. On mine, there is.
More of the same:
cd /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD/Applications/Utilities <return>
then:
ls
... where I find the following output:

bash-3.2$ ls
Disk Utility.app Startup Disk.app
Firmware Password Utility.app System Profiler.app
Network Utility.app Terminal.app
RAID Utility.app VoiceOver Utility.app
Reset Password.app
bash-3.2$

Jackpot! There is Disk Utility. Hopefully yours is there too.
Now, pause for a moment. We know the pathname to Disk Utility. We know the pathname to your Users/Shared folder (which I had you copy).
So, before we go further, a word about the correct path and command syntax.
It's command space pathname space pathname
There *should* be no spaces in the pathname, because UNIX sees that as a new command. As we both know, there are spaces in the pathname to the Mac OS Install CD/DVD. Notice the forward slash? That tells the Terminal to ignore the space in the pathname and treat it as if it were not there. So, to the terminal Mac\ OS\ X is treated as if it were MacOSX which is OK. If we were to try Mac OS X either some unwanted, and potentially dangerous command would be executed, or it would fail because it's not correctly written. Even though the last is most likely, we don't want to risk the first.

So, we have the pathname to the Disk Utility app. We have the pathname to your Shared folder. We know the commands, and because you are using Leopard, we don't have to worry that Disk Utility is really not a single application, but a directory (folder), and not an file.

That would be a problem with earlier versions of Mac OSX and the Terminal; in Tiger (10.4) the -R command won't work properly and will miss some parts of the directory.

So, here goes ... remember to copy the commands exactly but use your pathnames to Disk Utility, and remember the \ because Disk Utility is two words ...
We want to copy the directory found at this directory to this other directory.

Enter the command cp -R and the two pathnames; remember the space after $ and between each command and path, and remember the backslash in Disk Utility:
bash-3.2$ cp -R /Volumes/Mac\ OS\ X\ Install\ DVD/Applications/Utilities/Disk\ Utility.app /Users/Shared

There should be some thrashing with the CD drive, and a copy of Disk Utility will appear in your Shared folder. Drag it to your Utilities folder on the Hard Drive, and quit the Terminal.

Note that this might not be a perfect solution; since there may be differences between the Tiger and Leopard version of Disk Utility (I'm not positive either way).

But, it will work well enough for you to go about your business until you get a 10.5x version. And if you do find a Leopard Install DVD, you now know how to get that copy.
Whoa. Lots of info! I'll try this tonight, is SEEMS pretty straightforward. Thansk alot.
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Old Nov 7th, 2008, 03:05 PM   #4
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I assume you did empty your Trash and the app is not still just sitting in there.
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Whoa. Lots of info! I'll try this tonight, is SEEMS pretty straightforward. Thansk alot.
Wow, you actually quoted his post. And I did yours.
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So, I tried this but i didnt get very far. I got to the point where i was supposed to see something along the lines of "bash-3.2$ /Users/Shared" in the terminal. I counldn't see anything with Users/Shared anywhere in the terminal. Any ideas?
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Unless I missed something, and Lord knows I might have, even gordguide's instructions require the install CD/DVD which the OP noted he cannot find.

If that is the case, maybe that is why it would not work?
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Sinc: He said he had 10.4 Install disks, just not 10.5. The version of Disk Utility on the 10.4 install disk works fine with 10.5

" ... So, I tried this but i didnt get very far. I got to the point where i was supposed to see something along the lines of "bash-3.2$ /Users/Shared" in the terminal. I counldn't see anything with Users/Shared anywhere in the terminal. Any ideas? ..."

Did you use the Finder to navigate to the /Users/Shared folder, then drag the Shared folder icon to the open Terminal window? If you did, the path would show up just like it did when you dragged the Install disk icon to the Terminal.

Of course, you could just type "/Users/Shared".

It's not as complex as the CD/DVD path would be. I figured since you were able to drag for one path, you should be able to do it for both. You must have just done it wrong.

With the way the ehMac window formats on my computer, anyway, it breaks up the last line in an unfortunate spot, between the CD/DVD's pathname and the /Users/Shared pathname. Just make sure there is a space between the two pathnames. Perhaps this will make it clearer:

bash-3.2$ cp -R [pathname to CD/DVD Install disk] /Users/Shared <return>

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Just out of interest...............

Exactly how do people accidentally delete applications?

I read that now a few times on ehMac.

Doesn't take at least two distinct steps to do that? Delete the application AND empty the trash?
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Hey everyone, im new to mac and i'm kinda in a pickle. I accidently deleted my disk Utility the other day and i cant find my Leopard installation disk. Is there any place online I can download it from? I borrowed a friends Tiger instal disk and tried to open it with pacifist, but it wouldnt let me open it.
Hmm if your friend has Tiger installation disks then I'd assume he has this OS installed on a Mac.... If so why not just grab a USB key and copy it over? Then load it back on your Mac.....

Or better still go out and purchase a copy of Drive Genius or Disk Warrior which are more functional.
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