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Old Apr 11th, 2008, 04:42 PM   #1
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iPhoto Help!

Alright so im having problems trying to get iPhoto to allow me to select where my picture folder is located.

i have all my photo's in one main folder, then sub folders with the actual pictures in them.

to find the folder i just double click the hard drive icon on my desktop, and its there along side applications, system.. so on.

anyways i wanted them all there because i have 2 users using the same mac (my girlfriend and myself) and we share the same pictures.

and im trying to find a way to get iPhoto to allow me to select that folder to view all on my pictures in the folder. but alas i can't find any single way to do this, all iPhoto wants to do is import them into a different folder thus making duplicates (which i hate). i have all my pics in the folder that i want, and i just want iPhoto to view them and to allow me to import new stuff into that folder as well.

anyone out there that can help me, please do... as im starting to get really pissed off!
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Old Apr 11th, 2008, 05:02 PM   #2
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You should try iPhoto Buddy. You can create an empty folder in a shared location and turn it into an iPhoto library. You can then switch between multiple libraries. I haven't tried it across multiple users but it should be fine. The developer's site should be able to answer questions.
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Old Apr 11th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #3
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Dont know if this helps..

but if you hold down Option while opening iPhoto it lets you set up an additional library and you can then switch between the two if you'd like.
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Old Apr 12th, 2008, 06:41 AM   #4
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Alright so im having problems trying to get iPhoto to allow me to select where my picture folder is located.
iPhoto just doesn't work like that.

You can certainly set up a shared library for you and your gf. That's not a problem.

But iPhoto MUST have it's own Library and work within it. You don't get to use your own folder. Don't blame me, and don't blame Apple; blame the hordes of clueless n00bs who destroyed their irreplaceable digital photos because they insisted on messing with the structure of iPhoto's library, forcing Apple to come up with a "monolithic" library that makes it hard (but not impossible) to mess around, and forcing them to insist on using this for iPhoto instead of letting you use your own folders.

Further, iPhoto does NOT make duplicates. It has two copies (MAX) of a picture: the "original" one, and the "modified" one (if you've modified it).

This system does, in fact, work very very very well. It also allows you complete freedom to sort how you like, and copy photos from within the library into other programs, all while protecting your originals (and with Time Machine, ensuring a backup) plus giving you a variety of ways to archive materials.

But you can't have your photos in just any old folder you want (you can put the iPhoto Library (or Libraries) anywhere you want, though). For all of what Apple has designed iPhoto to do, you have to give up that one thing.

So iPhoto may not be the right program for everyone. Personally, I think it rocks pretty damn hard now that I understand why it does what it does.
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Old Apr 12th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #5
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What Chasm said is true but you should still try iPhoto Buddy as a library manager. You can easily maintain multiple libraries and choose between them whenever you want. I have never tried the option-open to manage libraries within iPhoto itself.
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Old Apr 12th, 2008, 09:39 AM   #6
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I think that PirateMyke is thinking of his photo management in the traditional file approach a la the Finder or Windows Explorer ("My Computer"), and -- iPhoto Buddy or not -- iPhoto just does not work well that way. It's the same thing with iTunes and how it pulls all music files into particular order; an order that might not be what the end-user wants... but if the end user understands and adapts to Apple's approach then they're better off -- and doing what they always have done with their photos in a better manner. The bottom line of Apple's approach is DO IT IN THE APPLICATION, NOT THE FINDER.

When you import photos into iPhoto it creates thumbnails of them to make scrolling through thousands of photos fast, makes database references to their keywords etc. etc. in the iPhoto library folder that is inside your "Photos" folder of your user (Home) account. When you edit a picture the original is still left untouched (and hidden within iPhoto as an ultimate "revert to original") and the results of your editing is rendered as an altered copy of the original. When you look in iPhoto's folders via the Finder after all of this work it may appear to be madness but if you look at it within the iPhoto environment itself it all makes sense and is WYSIWYG. The first time I used iPhoto, I went digging around via the Finder and thought "WTF??!"... but if you unlearn what you have learned -- a good habit to have when using a Mac even for the veterans -- you'll realize a greater benefit from using the platform.

Now, there is a preference in iPhoto to NOT copy photos when importing but the problem with this is that, when you edit a photo, the edited version -- derived as a copy of the original -- does NOT get saved to the original folder structure (yours); it is saved within iPhoto's folder structure. From iPhoto's help under "using advanced options when importing from a hard disk":

Select or deselect “Copy items to the iPhoto Library.”

Deselecting this option means that iPhoto will not duplicate photos when importing them into the application, but will leave them in their original files on your computer. When you edit these images in iPhoto, however, the edited versions will be saved in the iPhoto library, not your original files. Your original files remain untouched.


Given this, I further recommend abandoning your photo management at the Finder level. Trust me, if you give it a little time and once you've laboured through the migration of your existing organization you won't regret it. iPhoto's presentation of your library is extremely transparent anyway -- from within iPhoto. Even if you want to drag a photo RIGHT OUT of iPhoto's window to your Desktop or some Finder folder or into an email you can do so. So really there are no limitations, and the usage and editing of photos goes FAR beyond what the Finder or Windows Explorer should do anyway. The end result will be WAY less running around your hard drive when working with photos.

Now, if you want to preserve your organization as you import YOU CAN... but this one-time effort might be a little time consuming. What you must do is import each folder one at a time. I know it's a hassle but waddayagonnado? Once you're done you're done. Here are the steps:

1) Go into iPhoto's preferences and, under the advanced tab, ensure that "Copy items to the iPhoto library" is TURNED ON (remember: when this is done your photos will be within iPhoto's structure and you will Trash the originals).
2) Click the preference's Events tab and, where it refers to auto-spitting events, uncheck "Imported items from Finder" (iPhoto's events analysis is based on time frames, and the EXIF data for dates and times of your photos may not relate to how you organized them. Unchecking this option -- at least for now -- will not split each folder as you import them).
3) At this point you are ready to drag each folder in, but you have two choices:

If you want to just create events for each folder (iPhoto's "events" are like folders themselves) then, with iPhoto set to display your library as events (right under "Library", top-left of your screen), drag each folder into its main display area. Each folder will appear as a separate event. The downside to this is that, while you can reorder and merge Events, you cannot embed events within subgroups and the therefore Events view can get busy.

Option TWO: If you want SUBGROUPS of "folders" within iPhoto, then you need to create photo albums within iPhoto which can then be sorted into any folders you want (click here to see a sample result; a floder of two albums with another sub-folder inside the first folder):

A) From iPhoto's File menu create a new Folder and name it. It will appear under the "Albums" portion of your Library's list.
B) Drag each folder of photos from the Finder into that folder you created in iPhoto. iPhoto will import the photos and create a photo album nestled within the Folder you dragged it to. As you go, and if you want even more sub-folders, you can create more folders and drag folders into other folders.

When you're done, run through iPhoto's preferences to make sure they're back to what you'd want. Hang on to your original photo structure for a while until you know all is well with the import... then trash the originals and move on with your life.

Going forward from here, importing, organizing and utilizing your photos throughout your applications will be much easier than before! Most of Apple's applications (and some 3rd party applications) tie into iPhoto's structure, presenting your libraries and events as you handled them in iPhoto to these other applications (ditto with iTunes' playlists). So, the work you do in one (iPhoto, iTunes) is available within other applications (Pages, Keynote, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, Mail etc. etc. etc.). It's awesome!

Now, as a final thought I don't put EVERY photo I have into iPhoto. Avatars, desktop pictures and the like or very itinerant photos are stored within sub-folders of my account's Photos folder. Use all these features (iPhoto) as you see fit.

As for iPhoto buddy, the appearance of Events within iPhoto has diminished its value somewhat -- but I still use it to switch between iPhoto libraries containing content exclusive to a particular project, a project that when completed is no longer relevant to my ongoing photo library (for example, doing a media project for a friend, or using iPhoto in a professional scenario of various clients and/or projects).

Hope all this helps!


PS: You're not alone in this confusion the first time.
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Old Apr 12th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #7
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While the solution to this topic may feel restrictive, the end result is a more fluid and dynamic approach to photo management and access in whatever you do with them.

Using the Mac platform sometimes calls for the user to adapt to Apple's thinking but MOST of the time there winds up being MORE than meets the eye at first glance and they're right. And after all, their thinking is what you're buying. You are not simply buying a computer or an operating system; you're buying what Apple designs and executes... regardless of whether it happens to be a desktop, laptop, music player, phone, set-top box or God knows what else they got on the go.

Some times this can be a jarring experience. But if one has a sense of curiosity they may make valuable changes to their workflow.

Unlike Microsoft, Apple is able to move its small platform along more briskly. No disrespect meant, but Microsoft being a huge de facto business standard with a broad and old hardware base, MUST tread very carefully to not orphan large portions of their user-base (just look at how poorly Vista's adoption has been).

So, the mantra to live by when using a Mac is "expect change"... and that change is more often for the better -- except for iMovie 08
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What can I say except: BRAVO!!

(except for iMovie 08, which is actually brilliant. If they had taken AWAY iMovie HD you'd have a point, but they didn't so you don't. Trust me, having both tools is teh awesum as the kids say.)
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Your post was great, too. I pretty well said the same things you did but added some step-by-step.
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